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02-26-2012 , 03:14 AM
I'm gaining a deep appreciation for people who do server admin jobs. I think I'm about to blow my brains out
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02-26-2012 , 03:17 AM
yeah it's ****ing alchemy and wizardry
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02-26-2012 , 01:15 PM
For my current project I ended up going Rackspace over Amazon. Pretty happy with it so far. It seems to hit right what I needed for this site.

Only real issue I ran into was that they silently pre-configured the Ubuntu image to use their mirrors for packages, and those mirrors were missing a package I wanted: lighttpd.

Fortunately it was an easy enough fix and I didn't blow too much time figuring out what the issue was. But yeah, that could have been a real alchemical problem.
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02-26-2012 , 01:25 PM
Rackspace has been a nightmare for us for the past few months.

A few weeks ago, they had "three hours" of planned downtime to switch our stuff to some new machines. It ultimately took 14 hours, where we had over a thousand client sites down.
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02-26-2012 , 01:50 PM
Have you guys tried Linode? I've used them for a number of projects and been really happy with them. Last time I checked, you got significantly more hardware for your money.
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02-26-2012 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Neil S
For my current project I ended up going Rackspace over Amazon. Pretty happy with it so far. It seems to hit right what I needed for this site.

Only real issue I ran into was that they silently pre-configured the Ubuntu image to use their mirrors for packages, and those mirrors were missing a package I wanted: lighttpd.

Fortunately it was an easy enough fix and I didn't blow too much time figuring out what the issue was. But yeah, that could have been a real alchemical problem.
They do this on amazon as well. The reason for it is that because you are downloading packages from local mirrors you don't pay for the bandwidth.
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02-26-2012 , 03:17 PM
also using a local mirror will generally be faster by an order of magnitude or so.
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02-26-2012 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
I'm gaining a deep appreciation for people who do server admin jobs. I think I'm about to blow my brains out
Yeah I'm pretty skilled with Unix stuff and have some decent understanding of networking, security etc. but would still struggle tons as a sysadmin...just so much stuff to juggle + I'd be superparanoid regarding security which wouldn't help.
I have tons of respect for good sysadmins.
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02-27-2012 , 03:30 AM
this guy is one of the deepest thinkers on UI and design i've come across, just so brilliant:



watch this video, and suddenly, even if you program, say, in RoR, with cucumber and all the nice tools and the shiniest IDE, you will realize all of us are actually still writing assembly code compared to what could be....
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02-27-2012 , 10:56 AM
You're setting the bar pretty high...gonna watch it now
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02-27-2012 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
I'm gaining a deep appreciation for people who do server admin jobs. I think I'm about to blow my brains out
Sorry I didn't get back with you Saturday, did you have any more luck?

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Originally Posted by Neil S
For my current project I ended up going Rackspace over Amazon. Pretty happy with it so far. It seems to hit right what I needed for this site.
I think Rackspace is probably out for me as I'm starting to shop for where to move my hosting environment...apparently their load balancers don't support SSL yet (at least officially, I guess there's some hacks). WTF at that?
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02-27-2012 , 12:57 PM
Np I got it working in the end, my SPF record was blocking all mail as it was misconfigured and there was a loop in the smarterhost or something which is now fixed. The annoying thing now is because my SPF was misconfigured and I was sending a lot of test emails to my gmail Google has blacklisted my IP lol. I'm just moving it all to a new IP now then it should be ok I think
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02-27-2012 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
this guy is one of the deepest thinkers on UI and design i've come across, just so brilliant:



watch this video, and suddenly, even if you program, say, in RoR, with cucumber and all the nice tools and the shiniest IDE, you will realize all of us are actually still writing assembly code compared to what could be....
This was pretty entertaining and fun. While I will probably always stay a problem solver and not an activist (eventhough I have some activist trends) it was an interesting perspective. The techdemos/stuff were pretty wow-ing.

The only question that remains...where are those tools/why aren't they out there
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02-27-2012 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jalexand42
I think Rackspace is probably out for me as I'm starting to shop for where to move my hosting environment...apparently their load balancers don't support SSL yet (at least officially, I guess there's some hacks). WTF at that?
That fits with the impression I got studying the two services. Amazon's looked a lot more flexible, but Rackspace's looked simpler to get going and to maintain.
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02-27-2012 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
this guy is one of the deepest thinkers on UI and design i've come across, just so brilliant:



watch this video, and suddenly, even if you program, say, in RoR, with cucumber and all the nice tools and the shiniest IDE, you will realize all of us are actually still writing assembly code compared to what could be....


Great video. Really changes your perspective on development.
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02-27-2012 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jalexand42
I think Rackspace is probably out for me as I'm starting to shop for where to move my hosting environment...apparently their load balancers don't support SSL yet (at least officially, I guess there's some hacks). WTF at that?
FWIW, I have hosted no amazon for over a year now. My setup is super simple (just a single server), but I have never had any issues, and although there is a steep learning curve, there is also nothing that cant be found by googling/checking the forums.
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02-27-2012 , 04:13 PM
I take it that's just for your private site or something similar? ~75$ per month?
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02-27-2012 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
Np I got it working in the end, my SPF record was blocking all mail as it was misconfigured and there was a loop in the smarterhost or something which is now fixed. The annoying thing now is because my SPF was misconfigured and I was sending a lot of test emails to my gmail Google has blacklisted my IP lol. I'm just moving it all to a new IP now then it should be ok I think
If you're sending automated emails on Rackspace you're still going to have trouble reaching some accounts -- even if you've configured your SPF correctly. The alternative, which has been working for us, is sending your emails through Amazon SES. Their API is pretty robust, it's dirt cheap, and it shouldn't be too hard to add it in to your existing code.
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02-27-2012 , 05:48 PM
Wow haven't seen amazon ses, looks great though thanks for tip!
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02-27-2012 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
I take it that's just for your private site or something similar? ~75$ per month?
Ye, just my private site and some web experiments. Works out around $22 per month.
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02-27-2012 , 06:31 PM
Huh, am I missing something? I guess it's not online 24/7?
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02-27-2012 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Huh, am I missing something? I guess it's not online 24/7?
A micro instance is $0.02/hr

0.02 * 24 * 30 = $14.4

Add on bandwidth / storage etc it works out around $18-$20 per month.

http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/
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02-27-2012 , 08:58 PM
Oh slick, thx. Never noticed the micro option before
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02-27-2012 , 09:18 PM
Its a pretty good deal.

Whereas other options guarantee you a fixed number of CPUs, the micro instance is 'up to 2', so it's clearly aimed at dev servers, but I have never had any issues with it. (I don't get a lot of traffic tho).
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02-27-2012 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWooster
FWIW, I have hosted no amazon for over a year now. My setup is super simple (just a single server), but I have never had any issues, and although there is a steep learning curve, there is also nothing that cant be found by googling/checking the forums.
Yeah, I'm strongly leaning towards amazon, just haven't really spent the time yet.

FWIW, I have tons of experience with server admin and networking, so really it's just a matter of figuring out how Amazon does their stuff. I don't expect it to be hard, it's just finding the dedicated time to learn it.

I wish there was a good way to estimate some of the micro costs, like requests to storage for example. I'm kind of expecting my monthly costs for a reasonable load balanced setup to run me ~$3k/mo. Part of that is the fact we're built on SQL server, so there's a pretty good chunk of built in cost for the SQL server 24/7.
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