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09-01-2016 , 01:37 PM
I would phrase that as preferring intense work over more hours.
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09-01-2016 , 02:09 PM
Anyone have any experience accepting payments on a site? I was looking at paypal but have never done anything ecommerce related. Hopefully at this point they have nearly plug and play stuff?
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09-01-2016 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by d10
That's an accurate statement for programmers too
agreed, but not to the same extent and there are more exceptions. i mean, there are programmers who win the turing award, build entire operating systems, etc....

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Originally Posted by kaby
I would phrase that as preferring intense work over more hours.
ha! spoken like a true smart lazy person :P
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09-01-2016 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PJo336
Anyone have any experience accepting payments on a site? I was looking at paypal but have never done anything ecommerce related. Hopefully at this point they have nearly plug and play stuff?
I've used a lot of stuff and yea paypal is the standard.

They also have a company called braintree, but our experience was their support was absolutely terrible and would take days and weeks to respond and different people would respond out of order and say different things. Their documentation was also so bad someone finally got mad enough and wrote their own and the braintree support people would link to his docs over their own.

But once you get braintree working it worked..
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09-01-2016 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PJo336
Anyone have any experience accepting payments on a site? I was looking at paypal but have never done anything ecommerce related. Hopefully at this point they have nearly plug and play stuff?
stripe is also plug and play and aimed specifically at making developers' lives easier, so check that out if you want to accepts CCs directly on your site
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09-01-2016 , 02:42 PM
Cool ill check out those 3. Thanks guys
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09-01-2016 , 02:53 PM
400k github repos analyzed for spaces vs tabs

https://medium.com/@hoffa/400-000-gi...7fd#.m1x4yn4d0

spaces wins by a large amount, but it's not entirely clear how they're counting. Like, that last sentence I typed has a lot of spaces, but its indentation is not affected by spaces between words.
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09-01-2016 , 03:00 PM
I would just parse the file for tabs. If no tabs, it is spaces. Rudimentary but good enough imo.
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09-01-2016 , 05:15 PM
Stripe is easy to work with. I still prefer them to PayPal. Their CS is abysmal, though.

They gave me zero notice, one day I just got emails from customers that their payments weren't going through. I emailed stripe - 3 business days later they wrote me back that they were freezing my account and their decision was final.
I sent a Twitter DM to support and next day they apologized and said they made a mistake.

The cause of the problem? One customer attempted 5-7 failed transactions. Mind you I'd already had 100s of customers with zero issues at this point. And it was a $5 item.
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09-02-2016 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
jesus man, thats a pretty serious accusation
He made it quite clear in his previous posts that he took code from his job, refactored it, and then put it on github without explicit permission from his employer. (Pretty sure if you're going to take IP from the company you wanna get this in writing as well.)

The irony is that if it had actually become famous and successful, he'd be far worse off than he is currently. (IE having gainful employment and the ability to get it again)

Anyway, I don't really think this is an accusation more than an outright fact. Tho suzzer may not be a reliable narrator, we can always reach out for clarity on the issue to the original IP owner.

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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
Thremp,

You should exercise a bit more civility if you want continue posting on 2+2.
Noted.
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09-02-2016 , 12:35 PM
I wrote 100% of that code. No idea where you got the idea I just refactored someone else's code. And I did get permission from my boss. Plenty of people at my work know it's up on github. It's still used in a bunch of our apps.

Also lol that they would fire me over this. The worst thing that would happen is they make me move it under their corporate github at some point. The process of making it into an open source module made the code a lot more robust and modular, so I can also argue there was a clear benefit.

Most companies acknowledge that giving something back to open source is just being a good citizen of the open source world. It's not that big of a deal.

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09-02-2016 , 01:21 PM
suzzer, just stop. don't pay attention to him.
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09-02-2016 , 01:23 PM
so, got a job offer for place i had mentioned earlier. it's like a 6-month to hire sort of situation. also got accepted into depaul for a master's program and another school for a quickie bachelors.

not sure the best route here. I worry 6 months work might not be enough to get my foot in at other places.
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09-02-2016 , 01:26 PM
Can you do the job and depaul?
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09-02-2016 , 03:09 PM
i'm not sure. i dunno if depaul has certain days i need to be doing online stuffs

heard what their full devs make, and it's about 1/3rd of market salary in the area. so, there's that.
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09-02-2016 , 03:23 PM
lowkey,

I want to provide you advice but tbh I haven't paid enough attention to understand exactly wtf you have going on. I know you have been taking some classes/applying for jobs.

Can you just quickly summarize what you have been doing for the last 2-4 years?
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09-02-2016 , 03:37 PM
lk i did the last year fully online, while working. There are 3 hour lectures once a week for each class, and youll have hw/projects due on certain days, but there is really no commitment to be present at X time for any of the online stuff (Except tests and meetings with teams for group projects, but those can be sorted).

Most ppl ITT giving advice have been working for a long time and programming for a long time. I just started in 2012 and had a full time job by mid 2013. I got that bc I took any job offered to me even partially related to programming and didnt really care about salary. I know people have good intentions ITT, but your job is to get your foot in the door right now, and I feel like the veterans here kind of miss how hard that is to do when there are 1000000000000000 "programmers" and you have 0 experience.

That said I would also like to hear the answer to Larrys post
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09-02-2016 , 05:40 PM
I'm quickly becoming a huge swagger fan. Our workflow goes like this:
  1. Lead architect sends me an email with his vision of a new microservice (5-20 end points or so)
  2. I create a swagger YAML file, which defines all the end points, the expected types of input data and output data, and any complex models
  3. Huddle up with lead architect, walk through the YAML file and hammer out the details
  4. I run a custom generator which creates some auto-generated code (which is never touched and can be regenerated at any time) and some "stub" code for business logic controllers, models, data access and cucumber tests (which is intended to be overwritten and only generated once).
  5. I develop the business logic, database access and any custom validation - writing cucumber tests for everything as I go.
  6. Run the app - swagger produces a /docs endpoint which is living documentation and also an interactive test. Very easy for the front end dev to see everything that's going on. The app is based on swagger-express-mw package - so swagger is working with express to validate everything it can as the app runs.
The thing I really like is that the swagger file is used to generate code and provides the docs. So the docs and end points never get out of sync. Also having the swagger file as a starting point to walk through the API with the architect is a great step in the process.
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09-02-2016 , 07:23 PM
@nw - take the job, get in the game, make some $$. You'll probably really like it too.
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09-02-2016 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
lowkey,

I want to provide you advice but tbh I haven't paid enough attention to understand exactly wtf you have going on. I know you have been taking some classes/applying for jobs.

Can you just quickly summarize what you have been doing for the last 2-4 years?
  • Unrelated bachelor's
  • CS associate's
  • IT work experience
  • no programming work experience
  • accepted into post-bacc & masters programs

The job is:
  • web development
  • part-time hours, basically like a paid internship
  • very far drive
  • tech stack i'm not terribly familiar with/don't like
  • very low pay - less than min wage after taxes/gas/car maintenance
  • half-year contract, possibility of full time
  • full time pay is 1/3rd market value

Post-bacc program can be done in a year or less, but if you go full time they say not to work more than 10 hours a week. Master's program is at DePaul. Both are fully online.

Don't really know what I want to do still. Web dev doesn't interest me that much, but the other things that do look like they'd require a lot of study and math that would take me a while to get, if I even can. Example: the machine learning stuff I look at wants lots of statistics, which I'm actually pretty decent at when I'm studying it.

I think that's everything.
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09-02-2016 , 11:52 PM
are they doing any pair programming with a senior programmer? how are they going to help you become a better programmer? try to find someone who had the job you are going to have and ask them about it. how far is the drive?
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09-02-2016 , 11:59 PM
how important is it to understand how to be able to manually do the responses/requests thing with json/ajax? for like 99% of articles/videos about rails just vaguely mention 'rails sprinkling some magic ajax/json on it'... it almost never comes up, i just see it on stackoverflow when i am searching for solutions to things. and what is a good way to start learning it/video/tutorial/etc..
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09-03-2016 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
are they doing any pair programming with a senior programmer? no how are they going to help you become a better programmer? access to senior level people, just not in pairs try to find someone who had the job you are going to have and ask them about it. how far is the drive? varies, anywhere from 70 to 120 minutes
answers in bold
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09-03-2016 , 01:59 AM
I'd take it just to see how it goes for experience. If you don't like it, move on.
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09-03-2016 , 04:19 AM
Two hour drive is bonkers, imo. Unless you plan to quickly move to a more nearby city.
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