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Our company used a third party salary survey and set all titles to have the same salary set at the 55th percentile. Senior engineers ended up getting paid 206k base. So if that’s 55th percentile, then it’s certainly up there.

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09-12-2018 , 12:07 AM

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jjshabado

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Blind seems super interesting.

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09-12-2018 , 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by blackize5

I think Netflix forgoes stock in exchange for giving substantially more salary.

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

Likely. Netflix pays crazy ass salaries.

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

And, to this, I don't think the average senior software engineer makes more than 206k in cash (and even this seems a bit high).

What happened between these two posts? Is this just a distinction between "cash" and "stock" (which is basically as good as cash for Netflix) which a couple days ago we weren't even sure Netflix made? Stock makes these discussions so confusing (esp for public companies).

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Originally Posted by Barrin6

206k base? Is there bonus/stock too? Maybe I should come ball out with Barrin, don't even need to move!

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09-12-2018 , 12:58 AM

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blackize5

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I just looked it up. Netflix has a complicated options program, but from what I can tell they give 5% of your salary in stock per year and you can purchase more if you want, up to 100% of your salary.

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09-12-2018 , 01:07 AM

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is maxing out your hsa free money?

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09-12-2018 , 01:25 AM

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If you're my age it is.

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09-12-2018 , 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

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What happened between these two posts? Is this just a distinction between "cash" and "stock" (which is basically as good as cash for Netflix) which a couple days ago we weren't even sure Netflix made? Stock makes these discussions so confusing (esp for public companies).

206k base? Is there bonus/stock too? Maybe I should come ball out with Barrin, don't even need to move!

I think it’s mostly the distribution is wide, the data we have is noisy, and yeah stock right now is crazy valuable for public tech companies.

206k for the ‘average’ developer and for only cash salary comp is likely a bit on the high side. But that leaves a lot of people on the above average side and with non-cash / bonus compensation.

You can sort of see the problem with getting data on blind. There were threads with people from the same company arguing about large differences in comp for the same job levels at the same company. Who knows how much of that is people lying vs wide ranges of compensation at the company.

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09-12-2018 , 08:11 AM

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Blind is full of **** lol.

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09-12-2018 , 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Grue

Blind is full of **** lol.

From my reading last night it definitely seems like useful information with a side helping of bull****.

It's an interesting take though because its such a different data source then something like visa salary databases which aren't self reported (very valuable) but also ignore a lot of other things.

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09-12-2018 , 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

They eliminated bonus and folded it straight into cash. There is stock and that’s the only negotiating factor. Our base is quite high but I think it makes sense given that there is no bonus and our stock is still private.

If you want to check out the office, hit me up!

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09-12-2018 , 11:09 AM

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Any experienced C devs here looking for a challenge in the OC area? I get a recruitment bonus if I can find someone

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09-12-2018 , 01:23 PM

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Would love to if I hadn't just started at my current job.

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09-12-2018 , 06:25 PM

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Just had a coding interview that had 3 questions. The first one was a gimme and was probably just there to make sure I wasn't a poser. The other ones were intentionally a bit tricky. I mentioned recursion on my resume so probably why he picked the 3rd and final one. Can you guys answer these questions and how fast?

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/** Console.log out 0-4 inside the timeout */
for (i=0;i<5;i++) {
window.setTimeout(function() {
console.log(i)
}, i * 100)
}

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/** Given an element and a callback, traverse an element and its children (and children's children [recursion]) calling the callback on each element with the element itself as the sole argument. */
function traverse(element, callback) {}

For the first question, I learned something new. I almost never use for loops. I didn't realize that each iteration of a for loop maintains the same scope hence why that first question is actually a bit tricky.

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09-12-2018 , 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by iversonian

is maxing out your hsa free money?

Some finance guy I talked to (who is prob an idiot shrug) said
1. 401k up to company match
2. Max out hsa
3. Max out rest of 401k
4. Worry about other **** only after 1-3

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09-12-2018 , 06:47 PM

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First one = `var j = i` first, log j?
Second one...

Code:

function traverse(element, callback) {
  // assume children are in array element.children...?
  // precondition: if no children, array exists and is empty
  callback(element)
  element.children.forEach(child => traverse(child, callback))
}

? I assume I'm missing something, not sure what the tricky part is.

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09-12-2018 , 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PJo336

Some finance guy I talked to (who is prob an idiot shrug) said
1. 401k up to company match
2. Max out hsa
3. Max out rest of 401k
4. Worry about other **** only after 1-3

Hmm I need to look into this. I done both max out 401k and Roth IRA. Haven’t considered HSA yet but so far from a quick glance it seems +EV.

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09-12-2018 , 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Barrin6

Hmm I need to look into this. I done both max out 401k and Roth IRA. Haven’t considered HSA yet but so far from a quick glance it seems +EV.

My Understanding was its the only investment you don't pay taxes on either end of, but I too need to get it figured out

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09-12-2018 , 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

First one = `var j = i` first, log j?
Second one...

Code:

function traverse(element, callback) {
  // assume children are in array element.children...?
  // precondition: if no children, array exists and is empty
  callback(element)
  element.children.forEach(child => traverse(child, callback))
}

? I assume I'm missing something, not sure what the tricky part is.

That is why the first one is tricky. That doesn't work. That was my first inclination as well but it's wrong.

The second one is mostly right. I was told not to assume that there are any children so you would need to add a check around that then make the next recursive call.

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var j = i

inside the loop is the equivalent of

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var j [outside the loop]
j = i [inside the loop]

What that means is, by the time the first console.log runs, j/i has already been incremented to 4 so that gets console logged out 4 times.

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09-12-2018 , 07:35 PM

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A similar thing happens if you console.log an object instead of a primitive. It's by reference and console.log is async. So you often end up seeing just the final state of the object. You have to stringify it to see the states you want.

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09-12-2018 , 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

And that was my very next inclination lol. Wrong as well in this case. What you are thinking of is...

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var j = JSON.parse(JSON.stringify(i))

The key thing to know here (that I didn't know before today) is that the scope inside a for loop is the global scope/enclosing scope. What that means is each time you assign a value to j you're just ovewriting the current value of j in that scope. Since the console.log for j would be in the timeout you would only see the final value that gets assigned to j.

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09-12-2018 , 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Craggoo

That is why the first one is tricky. That doesn't work. That was my first inclination as well but it's wrong.

Seems to work: https://codepen.io/anon/pen/bxYxgp?editors=0012

Code:

function cb(elem) {
  console.log(elem);
};

const myElem = {foo:"bar", children:[
  {foo1:"bar", children:[
    {foo1a:"bar"},
    {foo1b:"bar"}
  ]},
  {foo2:"bar", children:[
    {foo2a:"bar"},
    {foo2b:"bar"}
  ]}
]};

traverse(myElem, cb);

function traverse(element, callback) {
  // assume children are in array element.children...?
  // precondition: if no children, array exists and is empty
  callback(element)
  if (element.children) element.children.forEach(child => traverse(child, callback))
}

Output:

Code:

Object {
  children: [Object {
  children: [Object {
  foo1a: "bar"
}, Object {
  foo1b: "bar"
}],
  foo1: "bar"
}, Object {
  children: [Object {
  foo2a: "bar"
}, Object {
  foo2b: "bar"
}],
  foo2: "bar"
}],
  foo: "bar"
}

Object {
  children: [Object {
  foo1a: "bar"
}, Object {
  foo1b: "bar"
}],
  foo1: "bar"
}
Object {
  foo1a: "bar"
}
Object {
  foo1b: "bar"
}

Object {
  children: [Object {
  foo2a: "bar"
}, Object {
  foo2b: "bar"
}],
  foo2: "bar"
}
Object {
  foo2a: "bar"
}
Object {
  foo2b: "bar"
}

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09-12-2018 , 07:46 PM

#35172

Craggoo

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I was saying his solution for the setTimeout problem was wrong. The solution for the second one was almost right since I was told not to assume anything.

my solution for traverse in the end...

Code:

function traverse(element, callback) {
  callback(element)
  if (element.hasOwnProperty('children') && children.length) {
    for (var i=0; i<children.length; i++) {
      traverse(element.children[i], callback)
    }
  }
}

Now, I almost never use for loops. This is likely the last for loop I will write (short of another coding interview) this year.

Last edited by Craggoo; 09-12-2018 at 07:52 PM.

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09-12-2018 , 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Craggoo

And that was my very next inclination lol. Wrong as well in this case. What you are thinking of is...

That's what I meant. You can still see it with stringify and no parse just not as pretty. Depends on how deeply you need to drill into your object.

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Makes sense.

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09-12-2018 , 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

That's what I meant. You can still see it with stringify and no parse just not as pretty. Depends on how deeply you need to drill into your object.

Try running it in the browser and see what you get. It always console.logs out to 5 instead of 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 which is the requested solution.

I believe the whole reason he included the setTimeout problem was to see if I ever progressed past basic js. I will tell you right now that someone who hasn't would almost certainly fail to figure it out.

Last edited by Craggoo; 09-12-2018 at 08:05 PM.

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09-12-2018 , 08:03 PM

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I'm talking about with console.log(someObject) - different but similar problem.

What are the requirements of #1? Does it have to be a for loop? Where can I change the code provided?

Last edited by suzzer99; 09-12-2018 at 08:09 PM.

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