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03-19-2018 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RustyBrooks
I can't tell if this is like satire or what
Of course it's not. Jobs with more than average qualified candidates pay lower than average wages. Jobs that have more scarce labor pay more. The market price for labor tells you something about the supply and demand of jobs.
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03-20-2018 , 01:11 AM
it has a become obvious/common in pop culture that liberal arts, history, music degrees are not worth much so everyones parents are pushing them towards medical/STEM degrees. we have been hearing since like 2004 about how so and so has $100,000 in student loans but works at Starbucks cause 'Art History'...
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03-20-2018 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
my personal view, not backed by anything at all, is that the market for programmers is becoming saturated.

i go to a good CS school, and the graduating class is like ~1000 people or something. 5-10 years ago i think it was maybe less than a 10th of that.
This happened during the dotcom boom as well. Enrollment and graduation in CS spiked but as soon as the boom ended it fell again.

Besides that, the retention rate for software dev is pretty low. Programming for a living can be frustrating and hard so if you're not really interested in it, it becomes even harder.
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03-20-2018 , 10:54 AM
jmakin, not sure what your career intentions are but I think you aren't casting a wide enough net if you have gotten an interview on every application. I would quickly learn a framework (if you haven't already) and then just turbo apply to all roles on indeed/stackoverflow/your_local_slack looking for that framework. some companies are not going to advertise for junior positions even though they want to hire a senior and maybe the right junior.
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03-20-2018 , 10:46 PM
i think i stumbled on a weird thing, i did some goofy super specific google search and came across this page:

(warning: don't click unless you want a really long page load time

http://web.mit.edu/~ecprice/Public/f...glelist.counts

it's apparently a list of most common google searches ranked in order and the number of times searched. it goes from the #1 keyword "the" down to like # 1 million "taukei" (3108 times) which is not that strange of a typo of takei, which was tied several others, among which was the term "djhqflhv" which seems like a purely random sequence accidentally searched by a cat walking on a keyboard.

i tried to figure out about more of what it is but it seems like i stumbled across some weird deep web page because i can't access any other folder in the address's filepath.

am i just dumb and is this like publicly available info or did i stumble across something weird? never seen anything like this, sorry

regardless, i downloaded the page and this seems like a perfect practice project to do some data crunching on. i can't wait. gonna use java. the txt file is 21 mb long lol
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03-20-2018 , 10:58 PM
It's just a subset of some dude's personal pages at mit. I can't tell if he's a lecturer or a student or what. There are other pages of his that you can find by googling, like
http://www.mit.edu/~ecprice/algcompsem/

ETA: This seems to be him: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~ecprice/

ETA2: looks like the webserver is not good about default index pages, re: http://www.mit.edu/~ecprice/index.html

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03-20-2018 , 11:14 PM
yea i found those pages too. I wonder what this data means, if anything.

at the very least I'm glad I found a huge text file with semi-meaningful data I can do **** with though. I've been kind of looking for a personal practice project.

that guy's research seems interesting.
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03-21-2018 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by maxtower
Of course it's not. Jobs with more than average qualified candidates pay lower than average wages. Jobs that have more scarce labor pay more. The market price for labor tells you something about the supply and demand of jobs.
It indicates a point at where supply and demand are in equilibrium. Also we should note that there are a lot of different types of "programming" disciplines that people practice their skills in. A shortage implies excess demand. The lack of a shortage does not mean there is a surplus.
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03-21-2018 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
my personal view, not backed by anything at all, is that the market for programmers is becoming saturated.

i go to a good CS school, and the graduating class is like ~1000 people or something. 5-10 years ago i think it was maybe less than a 10th of that.
theres jobs. bootcamps are still churning out 100s of ppl who gets jobs at like 85-90% placement rate.

you have been looking for a job halfheartedly for like a month and had 2 interviews. I will admit you are a lot like me in that I got super frustrated when I didnt have 100% hit rate.
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03-21-2018 , 05:59 PM
Btw, jmakin, all this saturation and shortage/surplus aside, if you go to a good school and do decently there, you should be able to find a decent job. You may need to apply to a lot more places though. You still have a lot of time but it's nice to graduate with a job in hand.
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03-21-2018 , 07:42 PM
i'm going to resume bomb soon and try to find some hackathons to attend, i've gotta get more serious with this
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03-22-2018 , 11:25 PM
Anyone have any idea how to implement an ELO system or where I would start? i.e. players in a 5-10 player game would be ranked in a point system by how they perform vs other ranked people.
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03-23-2018 , 12:32 AM
Isn’t it just weighting scoring activities by the ranks of the players? So a win against someone ranked 3rd is worth 2 more units than a win against the 5th ranked person? Or you can use the delta between player ranks as a points multiplier.
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03-23-2018 , 12:39 AM
Oh, ELO is an actual thing. https://metinmediamath.wordpress.com...uding-example/ seems to walk through it in a pretty straight forward manner.
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03-23-2018 , 01:43 AM
Man it feels good to come in a middle of a project and fix something!

There was a high priority project that came in last quarter and members from various teams were pulled in to create a tiger team. Project was completed in time and it was pretty good for how little time was given.

But recently it started to fall hard under heavy load. Memory leaks and it was just god awful slow. Sometimes we got away with just throwing more memory at it and re-running. However there has been some interest in it lately since it was generating a good amount of income for our company. As a result our team was put on task of fixing it.

The project is written in Scala, however none of the code followed any good FP principles so it was very difficult to read and reason through. To be fair everyone who touched that code had less than 6 months of Scala experience.

What annoyed me was that my boss and team members were a little hesitant in letting me re-write that portion of the service.

I recognized it as the classic producer consumer problem, so I said screw it and started to rewrite it using a thread pool for producer and 1 thread for reader. Spent the whole day finishing it up followed by benchmarks and profiling the memory. Deployed just recently and now it's running in production with no memory leaks and high throughput

Prior to this, it was taking 6 hours to run this service with the average heap size at 10 gigs, now it is expected to finish in 1.5 hours with less than 5 gigs of heap used.
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03-23-2018 , 02:12 AM
Awesome work!
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03-23-2018 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Grue
Anyone have any idea how to implement an ELO system or where I would start? i.e. players in a 5-10 player game would be ranked in a point system by how they perform vs other ranked people.
I used to run a pretty big ELO site and customized the algorithm for various game modes. PM me some details about the game and we can probably put together a basic rating system pretty fast. Do you have a log of past matches? That'd be super helpful for backtesting the accuracy.

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03-23-2018 , 12:53 PM
Pretty cool barrin, how hard is scala to pick up?
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03-23-2018 , 02:11 PM
Meet ups are good for getting a job. The last two meet ups I have been too had no one looking for a job. They usually start with a “who is hiring” question.
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03-23-2018 , 04:47 PM
I'm trying to find one to attend this weekend, closest is in san diego tomorrow.

what do you typically bring? laptop and resume? my laptop is garbage but i can code with it in a pinch, not comfortably though. Spent like $500 on it so it's a little annoying because this is the second laptop in a row I've spent money on that was rendered pretty much useless by bloatware.
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03-23-2018 , 06:10 PM
put linux on it
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03-23-2018 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
put linux on it
This. You can extend the life of computer almost indefinitely with Linux, provided the hardware doesn't break. I ran my college laptop for 9 years until it ran into some hardware issue. For common use, e.g. email, YouTube, it'll feel like new.

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03-23-2018 , 08:17 PM
Another this.

But if you really really want to use Windows, download the ISO and do a clean install. There's no reason to put up with bloatware.
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03-23-2018 , 10:52 PM
the mcafee suite is the biggest bull**** annoying crap to deal with.

some things that really slow it down though are stuff like one drive. I have no idea how to disable that if you even can. Maybe a linux install would be good, but i know next to nothing about that
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03-23-2018 , 10:57 PM
Yeah but a portion of every dollar you spend on McAfee goes to help John McAfee pay prostitutes to **** in his mouth. So at least it's a worthy cause.

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