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08-30-2013 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
PSA:

in the chrome console, if you console.log an object with more than a few properties, so that it gets the folding triangle next to it to view it, it is lazily evaluated. Which means if you logged an object at the start of your program, and it was mutated later in your program, and after the program runs you go inspect the value output at the start of the program and have to unfold it to view it, the object property values will be those from the end of the program, not those from the time the object was logged. If you need the latter, you must serialize with JSON.parse or similar and output a string. I lost about 4 hours from that little beauty and thought the behavior was surprising so figured I'd share.
wow I need to remember that.
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08-30-2013 , 01:41 PM
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Thanks candybar.

You make a lot of solid points, and I didn't quite explain what I'm trying to do as well as I should have.

So I know a few guys that are very solid developers, and do a lot of contract work. Basically, they have developed relationships and have too much work, as you described. Most of these guys aren't the types to want to try and start their own company for a number of reasons. So, if they're making $80 or $100/hour as a great developer, and pocketing 100% of that, they're doing pretty well for themselves.

I want to hire one or two guys that have a lot of demand for their services, and potentially pay them a bit more than they'd be making on their own, and give them people to work with. This could have the benefit of giving the contractor a bit higher hourly, as well as a bit more freedom with their schedule, as there are a few people to help cover that workload.

I plan on losing a fair bit of money initially to build up a brand. That $2-300k half mine, and half my Dad's, available today, in full. I have plenty of money to live on, and want to invest some of that sitting around to potentially grow a business of some sort.
It's not clear to me what you're getting in return. If those developers are simply working off of their relationships, it's still their relationships, even if you're juicing their pockets and giving them extra people. At the scale you are at, personal brand matters a lot more than corporate brands (we have some employees that are technically part of consulting firms with 2-3 people but who they are matters to us, who happens to own their firms doesn't) and you can't build your personal brand by simply paying your way into the middleman role. Remove money from the equation and think solely from the standpoint of value, trust and relationships. How are you adding value, how are you getting people to trust you and how are you cultivating relationships?


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I'm kind of mentioning a lot of different ideas because it's so early in the process, I'm not sold in any one direction. I mention angel investing because my family is all in finance, and I have some pretty amazing people to help me evaluate potentially profitable deals. I also don't necessarily need cash up to keep the business afloat, so it opens up more options for profitable long term deals.
Knowledge of finance, beyond the basics, isn't all that helpful in angel investing. Think of angel investing as not buying stocks or even businesses and more like hiring and mentoring people. Connections do matter though, so if some of your family is in VC, that's extremely helpful.


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And if someone I knew and trusted came up to me with a great startup idea and wanted to cofound, I'd probably do it.
Why not network and try to find cofounders or even early-stage startups? Given that most startups don't have money and you do, you may even be able to buy your way into existing startups as a cofounder (or at least comparable equity stake), given that you bring both technical skills and capital.

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But the consulting idea is the first thing that came to my mind, and I think it has some merit.
Try to succeed as a contractor/consultant first before you hire people, if you want to go down this route. Not a huge fan of somehow buying your way into existing relationships to establish brand plan. I don't know what your credentials look like, but if you don't presently have lots of people lining up to pay you, you can just apply to tons of jobs and make it clear that you'd prefer a consulting relationship. AngularJS should help because it's at a point in the adoption curve where demand is strong and not that many people can claim expertise. I don't know if you can either, but the bar is kind of low.

In short, explore and figure out what you want to do, but before you commit serious money and serious time, narrow your focus to one thing and do whatever it takes to excel.
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08-30-2013 , 02:47 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned this yet:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/it-...what-it-means/

Researchers reverse-engineer the Dropbox client: What it means
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In their paper Looking inside the (Drop) box, Dhiru and Przemyslaw get right to the point:
"We describe a method to bypass Dropbox’s two-factor authentication and hijack Dropbox accounts. Additionally, generic techniques to intercept SSL data using code injection techniques and monkey patching are presented."

Dhiru and Przemyslaw accomplished this by reverse engineering the Dropbox client. That may not seem like much, as reverse engineering is a common practice. What made their effort unique was figuring out how to reverse engineer the client even though it was an obfuscated application written in Python:
I bet you could learn a ton just reading through that code

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08-30-2013 , 05:55 PM
Am I hallucinating or did someone at some point in this thread link a "How to get used to Mac OS for Windows users" type thing? I've decided to be a "team player" and starting using the macs at my contract job and yeah things like having to hit command + backspace (not delete) to delete things and command+r to refresh web pages are driving me crazy. I guess I'll get used to it but what the ****ing ****? There's no equivalent of windows+d? Shift+end is the same as shift+pagedown? Gahhh.

On the bright side I do like the default white keyboard and the fonts in general are displayed way better than windows but yeah.
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08-30-2013 , 06:21 PM
I recently made the switch as well like ~6 months ago. Never going back, it will be worth it and not that hard.

kerowo told me some cool hotkeys not that many pages back
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09-02-2013 , 04:42 PM
Just installed Fedora with Gnome after having used windows my whole life.

Omg is this amazing.
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09-02-2013 , 06:00 PM
Code:
> '-5942' > '-151'
true
> -5942 > -151
false
> [-5942] > [-151]
true
Goddammit, JavaScript
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09-02-2013 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by derada4
Just installed Fedora with Gnome after having used windows my whole life.

Omg is this amazing.
What is the most significant improvement?
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09-03-2013 , 01:43 AM
Speaking of javascript, I just ran into this article:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/...de.textContent

Basically, innerHTML is vulnerable to XXS and textContent should be used instead. Or is that "generally should be used instead?" I guess that deprecated innerHTML would destroy a ton of sites, but it makes me wonder why innerHTML is used at all and then why it turned out that innerHTML is so much more popular.
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09-03-2013 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
What is the most significant improvement?
It just feels like Linux is an OS designed for people who know what they're doing. I mean, I'm a Linux newb currently since I just installed it obv, but just as far as computer use/knowledge in general, it feels so much more *appropriate* than Windows.

For example, when I was customizing the desktop and whatnot to my liking, I really enjoyed the whole "oh ok, you want to change x, open up the script that deals with x and make the changes that you want." Or, "oh, you want your computer to do y? write/find a script that does y and put it in folder z."

At the end of the day, just a more enjoyable experience for me. Although I'm running it on a laptop and not getting the same battery performance as Windows 8. Made a few tweaks that improved it a bit, but only getting ~4.5hrs on a full charge whereas Win8 gave me 8+hrs.

And this drop down terminal extension (https://extensions.gnome.org/extensi...down-terminal/) is just the coolest thing ever.
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09-03-2013 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by derada4
Just installed Fedora with Gnome after having used windows my whole life.

Omg is this amazing.
Welcome
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09-03-2013 , 04:41 PM
one of my fav features is the 2nd copy/paste buffer, on highlight/middle click (not that that's unique to gnome or anything, but wow I miss it in windowsland)
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09-03-2013 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Welcome
Yah, thanks for the Arch reccomendation. After looking into it I got a little scared for my first Linux experience. Probably will take a stab at it this winter or something.
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09-03-2013 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by derada4
It just feels like Linux is an OS designed for people who know what they're doing. I mean, I'm a Linux newb currently since I just installed it obv, but just as far as computer use/knowledge in general, it feels so much more *appropriate* than Windows.

For example, when I was customizing the desktop and whatnot to my liking, I really enjoyed the whole "oh ok, you want to change x, open up the script that deals with x and make the changes that you want." Or, "oh, you want your computer to do y? write/find a script that does y and put it in folder z."

At the end of the day, just a more enjoyable experience for me. Although I'm running it on a laptop and not getting the same battery performance as Windows 8. Made a few tweaks that improved it a bit, but only getting ~4.5hrs on a full charge whereas Win8 gave me 8+hrs.

And this drop down terminal extension (https://extensions.gnome.org/extensi...down-terminal/) is just the coolest thing ever.
Thanks much appreciated.

On the battery life issue, Wintel has pretty much established ACPI power management standard. I know how windows manages ACPI devices but not sure about what Linux does. I have heard of similar issues with Linux systems.


I am going to make a wild guess and say that there is a config setting for your Fedora system that you can do to make it ACPI aware so to speak at boot up time.
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09-04-2013 , 08:11 PM
So I have an interview with these people, good sign.
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09-04-2013 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by derada4
It just feels like Linux is an OS designed for people who know what they're doing. I mean, I'm a Linux newb currently since I just installed it obv, but just as far as computer use/knowledge in general, it feels so much more *appropriate* than Windows.

For example, when I was customizing the desktop and whatnot to my liking, I really enjoyed the whole "oh ok, you want to change x, open up the script that deals with x and make the changes that you want." Or, "oh, you want your computer to do y? write/find a script that does y and put it in folder z."
1. learn the related registry keys and do the same in windows

2. learn a scripting language and write scripts for windows too
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09-04-2013 , 10:33 PM
Yeah, but Cgwin. Just saying.

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09-04-2013 , 10:34 PM
I had a job interview yesterday at some tech company. Kind of strange interview. They were a bit stand-offish at first. Perhaps they didn't much like me at first or they were sick of interviewing people who couldn't pass their tests.

The test was hand me a sheet of paper and tell me to code out the HTML by hand, without the CSS. The second part was using their computer to code out a page in HTML and CSS.

The combination of me being on about 3 hours of sleep, freezing cold, and working on a Mac w/ Textmate made me look stupid, I swear. I took soooo long to code this stuff out.

I never used a Mac before, so I don't even know how to get to the desktop. I don't know the basic hotkeys, like refresh a browser or switch tabs. I really suck at using touch pads and there was no mouse around. Basically, my entire time was used up trying to navigate the computer. So much for "it just works."

BTW, what's up with no scroll bars? For a company that is so loved for their design sense, I was shocked by this. At least the arrow keys worked.

So, after spending, idk, 30 minutes to write 15 lines of HTML/CSS, I finished with a proper output. I was sort of beating myself up for taking so long, but whatever.

They came back and they were rather of shocked that I did it correctly (this is to be expected since I took so long and I was off craigslist), saying "that is close to what we were looking for. Very close, in fact." I then cracked a joke about how that wouldn't work in IE6...

They then warmed up quite a bit. I still didn't want to stay and I told them I was too cold to stick around and thanks for having me. They, apologized, closed the window and chatted me up. I asked a bit about what the job is and a few nerd things, and all seemed to go well until they asked if I could get there at 6:30am. My heart sank at that moment. I tried to think of it, but had to tell them I couldn't do that. I live too far away to make that a reality.

Anyways, they told me to send them a followup email in a few days, which I will do, but outside of crashing in a hostel until payday 1, assuming the money would be worth it, I don't think I can take the job.
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09-04-2013 , 10:54 PM
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BTW, what's up with no scroll bars? For a company that is so loved for their design sense, I was shocked by this.
You might find this interesting:

http://asktog.com/atc/the-third-user/
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09-04-2013 , 11:08 PM
Yeah, but the company uses Macs. That's a good place to work, right? I mean, if they are willing to buy Apple Co. instead of $70 refurbed Dells, they must be willing to pay enough to buy a car, or.. my own Mac?

A joke I haven't had the heart to crack at work is that my keyboard costs more than the computers we are using.
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09-04-2013 , 11:53 PM
I've been working with an iMac for about a week now and its going OK I guess. I'm very much a windows user as well. Its not all that different and you'll get used to the foibles. Once I can finally get mac -> (shift)+cmd+arrows = windows -> (shift)+control+home/end/pageup/pagedown straight in my mind it'll be fine.
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09-05-2013 , 12:12 AM
I'm not sure how to search for this but I'm wondering what a SDK is in iOS, or more aptly, how do you create one. I have a feeling it's a static library but the icons in Xcode for making one don't match the icons for importing one.
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09-05-2013 , 12:21 AM
daveT is going to build a CRM way better than that ****ty sale force thing and his company will build their own machines, **** something named after a fruit
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09-05-2013 , 12:30 AM
So yea MichaelVSOP just posted in like 10 different threads in here in a 10 minute block, read a couple of his responses and they are actually not totally awful, but it looks like he is trying to enable PMs.
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09-05-2013 , 01:23 AM
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daveT is going to build a CRM way better than that ****ty sale force thing and his company will build their own machines, **** something named after a fruit
For starters, I did not attack Macs at all.

And since you apparently Looooove salesforce, tell me, how much is a CRM worth that *cannot*, under any circumstances:

Do mailing queues

Do round robbin queues (Joe gets #1, Mary gets #2, Jim gets #3, Joe gets #4)

Let the administrator assign emails to his team and reassign as needed

Allow for departmentalized mailing (Joe only answers Amazon, Mary only answers eBay)

Allow for an easy "canned responses."

Allow for easy integration into third-party tools that are simple enough to learn in one day.

Allow continual correspondence between the same CSR and the same customer.

Show what emails were read (the biggest wtf)

Cannot prevent collision.

Even from the above, I have a hard time putting any dollar amount above a free account at Gmail, and I certainly don't see how it would be worth a few thousand dollars a month, and certainly not worth being one of the most expensive softwares in existence.

Maybe just maybe the guy I spoke to didn't know his way around, but yeah, a jack off like me could create something better in a weekend.
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