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Old 02-25-2016, 01:15 PM   #51
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Re: Online Bootcamp or Physical Classroom?

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Let me attempt a rephrase... someone who can't even master basic skills will take shortcuts wherever they can. Is that really the sort of person you want on your team?
well given that I can only type about 40-50wpm, and any team that has me in any context I am qualified for, is incredibly lucky. Yeah, I think your generalization is pretty lol worthy and any correlation between an acceptably average typing speed and work ethic you have drawn is silly.

If you wanna say like 20wpm or something, then I could maybe see a point. But given that 40-50wpm is going be on the right side of the bell curve, it makes no sense
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Old 02-25-2016, 01:57 PM   #52
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well given that I can only type about 40-50wpm, and any team that has me in any context I am qualified for, is incredibly lucky. Yeah, I think your generalization is pretty lol worthy and any correlation between an acceptably average typing speed and work ethic you have drawn is silly.

If you wanna say like 20wpm or something, then I could maybe see a point. But given that 40-50wpm is going be on the right side of the bell curve, it makes no sense
I don't think Craggoo means 40-50wpm - virtually no hunt-and-peck typists are at that level - so I'm pretty sure he's talking about people at around 20-30wpm at most.
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:54 PM   #53
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Re: Online Bootcamp or Physical Classroom?

Actually, I would say 40-50wpm is where hunt-and-peck typists max out at but I have no evidence to offer in support of that claim.
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Old 02-25-2016, 11:40 PM   #54
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Actually, I would say 40-50wpm is where hunt-and-peck typists max out at but I have no evidence to offer in support of that claim.
I'm sure some of them can type at that speed or even higher but unless the ones you work with are unusually fast for hunt-and-peckers, there's no particular reason to believe that they are in that range. It's like assuming most touch typists can type at 120+wpm.

I just tried this - I can't get go over 32wpm on typeracer hunt-pecking despite using 2 fingers on each hand and occasionally typing while looking at the screen and I was definitely typing faster than any hunt-and-pecking programmers I've seen.
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:13 AM   #55
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I'm sure some of them can type at that speed or even higher but unless the ones you work with are unusually fast for hunt-and-peckers, there's no particular reason to believe that they are in that range. It's like assuming most touch typists can type at 120+wpm.

I just tried this - I can't get go over 32wpm on typeracer hunt-pecking despite using 2 fingers on each hand and occasionally typing while looking at the screen and I was definitely typing faster than any hunt-and-pecking programmers I've seen.
I have played on TypeRacer quite a bit. If there was a blaring *BEEP* of some sort when you type the wrong letter I bet you could get up to 50wpm with hunt-and-peck on there.
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:57 AM   #56
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Re: Online Bootcamp or Physical Classroom?

this is an interesting digression and all, about what speed constitutes a hunt and peck typist

except that it's not

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Old 02-26-2016, 09:09 AM   #57
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Re: Online Bootcamp or Physical Classroom?

Maybe it is me but I only really need to touch type rapidly when I am "winging it from the keyboard" where the resulting code invariably ends up being refactored substantially. It is one way to go, not sure how effective that really is. Nearly all of the development work I do is on an existing code base though so ymmv.
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Old 03-01-2016, 11:30 PM   #58
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I have 0 experience, but I'd like to give this coding thing a try. Since I have no basic I know I can't learn how to make software yet so I'd like to learn how to make and unserstand the basic of making a website. While browsing the web and this forum I came out with a few option. Maybe someone here know which one could be +EV for a beginer like me.

Probably viking web developement 101 ?
http://www.theodinproject.com/web-development-101

Or Harvard building Web Dynamic ?

http://cs75.tv/2010/fall/#about,lectures

MIT introduction courses are maybe to advanced and general for what I'm looking for?

I also found other website on google like, codeacademy and khanacademy.
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Old 03-02-2016, 12:08 AM   #59
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Re: Online Bootcamp or Physical Classroom?

make sure you understand the stuff here before doing web dev 101:
http://www.theodinproject.com/introd...eb-development

that'll give you a lot higher level understanding of the topic and a good place to build from
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Old 03-02-2016, 12:14 AM   #60
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make sure you understand the stuff here before doing web dev 101:
http://www.theodinproject.com/introd...eb-development

that'll give you a lot higher level understanding of the topic and a good place to build from
Thank you for the quick reply and the tips. I'll go with Odin and post update/questions in this thread since it's related with OP question.
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Old 03-02-2016, 02:53 PM   #61
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Thank you for the quick reply and the tips. I'll go with Odin and post update/questions in this thread since it's related with OP question.
MIT intro to programming (CS 600 on their open courseware site) is geared towards students with 0 experience so it shouldn't be over your head.

However it's mostly academic stuff and probably won't teach you how to write code that does super useful things right now.
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Old 03-03-2016, 01:31 AM   #62
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Yea my sense is the Harvard course would be better assuming the goal is to be able to build websites and make money ASAP. You build a site for the final project I think. I'd do that maybe in tandem with Odin, hard to say.
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Old 03-03-2016, 12:06 PM   #63
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Re: Online Bootcamp or Physical Classroom?

I'm sure that CS75 is good stuff (based on my experience with CS50), but the prerequisites are listed as:
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Old 03-05-2016, 01:54 AM   #64
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David Malan is really awesome, but after 4 hours I felt like CS50 was a waste of my time.
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Old 03-05-2016, 03:05 AM   #65
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David Malan is really awesome, but after 4 hours I felt like CS50 was a waste of my time.
Can you be more specific?
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Old 03-05-2016, 03:46 AM   #66
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Can you be more specific?
By the tone of that comment I guess I'll give it another try after I've done more of Odin project.
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Old 03-05-2016, 08:08 AM   #67
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Re: Online Bootcamp or Physical Classroom?

huh? what tone?

i think he's just curious how you thought it was a waste of time. Too easy? Too hard? Your comment was pretty vague and he asked for clarification.
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Old 03-05-2016, 12:11 PM   #68
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At first I was enjoying it very much. It was not too complex and I was understanding very well. Than he started to do some coding and I couldn't understand very well what he was doing. I did understand the patern, {} and algorithm thing. But when he went deeper into code command like printf "..." /n , etc. I asked myself if it was worth my time at the moment.

David is really entertaining, but I was looking for something more concrete first. Just to see if I like this all coding thing, but more to see if my brain is intelligent enough to consider this field as a future career.
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Old 03-05-2016, 02:40 PM   #69
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Re: Online Bootcamp or Physical Classroom?

What language is that class in? Python?

But yeah, if he's not explaining what he's doing well enough, an online tutorial might give you a better, quicker hands on account of things, possibly better explained.
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Old 03-05-2016, 02:48 PM   #70
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Re: Online Bootcamp or Physical Classroom?

CS50 is taught mainly in C.

For most people (myself included) it is probably not an ideal introduction to programming. Even with some limited experience with Ruby and Javascript, I am finding the learning curve to be very steep.
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Old 03-05-2016, 03:09 PM   #71
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C? Seriously?

wtf?!
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Old 03-05-2016, 05:05 PM   #72
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Re: Online Bootcamp or Physical Classroom?

Applied to App Academy for giggles, and just in case.

Glad to see I made it through their practice questions with no speed bumps
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Old 03-05-2016, 09:55 PM   #73
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Re: Online Bootcamp or Physical Classroom?

I think the CS50 is hard to fill in the gaps sometimes because they show just the big lectures and do not include the 2 classes that the students attend during the week taught by the TA's.

If you want to get your feet wet code school is free this weekend. I enjoyed way more than code academy.

FYI, I am currently attending a bootcamp at RU in New Jersey. Started with HTML CSS and JavaScript along with Git and heroku. On the 6th week and we just wrapped up JQuery and APIs. Starting node.js in the upcoming weeks. It's only their second cohort but the job placement is amazing. It's one of the first universities to hold a bootcamp on their own.

I tried learning on my own but being in a physical setting with others on my skill level really benefited me. And the guidance from the TA's and instructors is invaluable.

Sorry posting on my phone but I will be on a PC soon. So any questions, fire away.
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Old 03-06-2016, 05:31 PM   #74
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Re: Online Bootcamp or Physical Classroom?

C as a first language has got to be a pretty hard way to learn programming (comparatively obviously)
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Old 03-06-2016, 05:33 PM   #75
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I think the CS50 is hard to fill in the gaps sometimes because they show just the big lectures and do not include the 2 classes that the students attend during the week taught by the TA's.
That explain alot, thank you.
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