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01-12-2017 , 12:02 AM

#601

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I assume this means that people think Node will start taking over?

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01-12-2017 , 12:23 AM

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OmgGlutten!

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I will start messing with full stack js soon ... They say it is easier than ROR?

Having only used ROR for backend so far... The idea of using JavaScript for backend is so confusing to me wtf does that even look like?

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01-12-2017 , 12:27 AM

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eh you just make a single global express object and have it register middleware callbacks or promises and use require statements to bring in dependencies like any other backend language. Its the exact same as front end JS without a build step requirement (webpack). Its fine, especially good for websocket stuff.

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01-12-2017 , 12:35 AM

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probably it is because i don't really understand too well what is actually going behind the "rails magic" and i should work on that leak.

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01-12-2017 , 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

probably it is because i don't really understand too well what is actually going behind the "rails magic" and i should work on that leak.

Trying to shield yourself from the black box that is any framework (what you call "rails magic") is always a bad idea. If you don't know what this "magic" does for you how can you hope to take full advantage of it?

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01-12-2017 , 04:07 AM

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Don't recall what it is (could be webSockets that Grue mentioned), but you can setup 2 way listeners in NodeJS. Generally, you might think of connections as one way...

You update some resource --> the db says great you're good to go

A 2 way listener is more like...

someone else updates a resource... --> db tells all open connections "resource has updated, refresh [or it updates the page according to the new data potentially]"

or ** user updates a resource and a slight variation of the above happens.

Pretty cool imo

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02-01-2017 , 02:27 PM

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Anyone see any good tutorials for Rails for using external Api/json/httparty?

I've exhausted social network style apps at this point.

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02-01-2017 , 02:29 PM

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VCS stack seems uncommon? Why not just use a mean stack?

Was angular 2 not popular?

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02-01-2017 , 06:09 PM

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What is the benefit of not using a browser IDE besides saving $20/month

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02-01-2017 , 10:05 PM

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Are those questions in response to something in particular?

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02-04-2017 , 11:14 PM

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no, just random musings.

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02-14-2017 , 09:47 PM

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Anyone familiar with General Assembly?

I'm considering entering an immersive from them.

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02-18-2017 , 07:14 AM

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to add one more data point, i just had an interview yesterday and the topic of bootcamps came up. the CTO said that he summarily rejects resumes with bootcamp in them. a few weeks ago, i remember seeing a comment on HN about someone who said that they stopped putting their bootcamp on their resume; i forget if he got better results from that or not.

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02-21-2017 , 12:53 PM

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This just seems silly. Unless the CTO only hires people with CS degrees why would he discard a candidate because he took a bootcamp? Does he prefer someone with the exact same experience minus the bootcamp? Does he think the bootcamp makes people unlearn?

I think people need to start looking at a bootcamp for what it is, which is a 2/3 month intensive program. That's it. There's nothing magical about it.

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02-21-2017 , 12:59 PM

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I was assuming those comments refer to bootcamp only, not bootcamp plus 2 years of experience.

Speaking for myself, I feel that in my first 3-12 months I was clearly behind where solid CS grads were. As experience continues though that ground is being made up quickly. I may even have an edge in the medium-long term due to the partly bootcamp-induced mindset of continuous learning.

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02-21-2017 , 01:22 PM

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So how does a CS student get a job in web development since from my understanding they don't teach that at the university level?

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02-21-2017 , 03:29 PM

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So how does a CS student get a job in web development since from my understanding they don't teach that at the university level?

Learn it on your own. There are plenty of resources online.

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02-21-2017 , 03:37 PM

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Learn it on your own. There are plenty of resources online.

Ok but 3 month 8 hours a day being spoonfed is a lot faster than learning by yourself. Self learning has to take probably 2-3 times longer.

There that many other degrees that require that much self study? It's weird to me why it's not taught at university level.

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02-21-2017 , 05:15 PM

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Web dev not being taught in schools is probably part myth and dependent on school? Most CS student interns I've seen are very very strong at web dev, though granted they are among the cream of the crop I guess.

Also once you know one language/framework it's easy to learn more, so a more solid grounding in the basics and nuts and bolts may be better in the long run.

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02-21-2017 , 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

I assume we are talking about computer science here. Computer Science isn't meant to teach what the industry uses. Frameworks and languages change so quick. Furthermore, you do not want a professor who has spent a majority of their time in academics to try and teach that kind of stuff.

Computer science teaches basic fundamentals of computing that hardly ever changes. Whether students want to take what they learn and apply it to web dev is primarily up to them.

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02-21-2017 , 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mvrht

It is not being spoonfed. Only the first 6 weeks regularly have lectures. The last 6 weeks don't. It is more like 6 weeks of 2 hours of lectures and the rest of the time programming. Also I think having 2 new programmers pair programming in a time rushed environment is a terrible idea. The stronger one does everything and the weaker one does nothing.

Really? Wow, I thought it was just straight lecturing. yeah, as a self learner, if I were to design a bootcamp would just be endless lecturing with material to follow along + homework for them to take home to apply what they learned.

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02-21-2017 , 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

Sounds like a bad idea; even the 30-90 minutes of lectures we used to have often felt wasted. Not going to fit with most people's learning style, especially with programming.

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02-22-2017 , 02:23 AM

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Yeah the real value in a boot camp isn't the instruction, it's the immersion. Focused time with other smart driven individuals working towards clear goals designed to build up your skills one step at a time really goes a long way.

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02-22-2017 , 11:00 AM

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well bootcamps continue to fill hundreds of jobs per year in cleveland.

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02-23-2017 , 01:29 AM

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As of right now I am planning to join the general assembly bootcamp.

Everything I have read and my experience leads me to believe I will find great enjoyment in the class and be able to transition into a technical role quickly after it is over.

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