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04-15-2016 , 12:00 PM
Ya, the company that didn't respond actually doesn't anger me. I guess I am a bit disappointed but whatever. The company that cancelled my interview for seemingly no reason after 3 days put me in a really bad mood though.
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04-15-2016 , 11:16 PM
So we are starting our capstone projects next week. We had the option to submit a proposal and I considered an idea but never fleshed it out. Our bootcamp worked toward and guided us in creating web applications. The projects we completed thus far were:
1. A simple shopping cart app
2. An app where the user could choose a national park and the 5 day weather forecast was displayed along with suggestions based on the weather. All data was read from and written to files.
3. An app where a user could reserve a campsite at a particular national park. All parks had multiple campgrounds, which had multiple campsites with various features. All data was stored and read from a database.

I considered submitting a proposal for a fantasy football type web application. In the past I have done projections for all relevant NFL players and there has been decent feedback from the forum. I figured I would give the user options for entering a scoring system and displaying my projections based on that. They could also filter by position or team or whatever to see only the players they desire. Or the user could submit their own projections via something?(excel?) which would be inserted into the database. Then they could choose to display their own projections, my projections, or some sort of average. Also the user could change the projections on their own within the app. In this way they could only change a few players if desired, or many.

It seems that in our bootcamp we have mostly worked with simply manipulating data. Reading the data and displaying the data. Fantasy football can have a ton of data so it may have been worthwhile. Or it may have been a bit too simple.

So regardless, I never put in the effort to propose and instead I am stuck with the options from the instructor. There are 6 different projects but here is the one I hope to work on. (We had to submit choices.) (I could post the other ones if ppl are interested.)

Project 5: Plot Planning and Planting

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Description:
The application helps users plan for, and purchase all needed materials
to plant trees, shrubs, and perennials. The user enters the dimensions of
the area they wish to plant, and the general amount of sunlight it
receives. The application then returns a list of trees, shrubs, and
perennials to the user, who then makes their selection. Finally the
application produces a shopping list of bags of soil and mulch needed,
plus the selected plants which the user can then head to the store with.

Users:
Anonymous Users
System Administrator

Use Cases :
User start the application by entering in the length and width of the area
they wish to plant, and the amount of general amount of sunlight it
receives. The application returns the number of bags of soil and mulch
needed to cover the area based upon the dimension, a list of
recommended trees, shrubs, and perennials appropriate for the amount
of sunlight the user specified. Note, each recommended plant includes its
spread and height.
User can drag any of the recommended plants from the lists and drop
onto a visual representation of the plot, The spread of each individual
plant dropped will be reflected on the plot.
User can drag any plant far enough from the plot to deselect it.
Deselected plants will change colors to reflect they have been
deselected.
User can also outright delete plants from the plot rather than deselecting
them.
User can drag and drop plants around the plot to rearrange.
When ready, the user requests a shopping list of the soil, mulch, and
plants.
System administrator maintains database of plants, which includes
tracking the ready availability and appropriateness of individual species
of plants
I am hoping for this one as it seemed like the most challenging. The drag and drop feature will require some Javascript understanding that is currently far beyond me. Then there is the shopping cart aspect.

So I guess I am just wondering if people think this is a worthwhile endeavor and would look impressive (at least a little bit) in a portfolio.
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04-16-2016 , 03:23 AM
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Just trying to minify your post. I think your idea about NFL players is really cool. I was talking with a buddy of mine tonight who wanted to launch a dfs stats site (daily fantasy sports). I gave him some pointers on how I would setup the db/frontend. Your idea to track/display NFL player stats is very similar. Assuming you're tracking stats for players across multiple sites, I would say this anything but super simple. As far as the project goes it will show the following :

1) Your ability to layout a complex db structure
2) Your ability to communicate between backend/frontend code
3) Your ability to create a (hopefully) visually appealing frontend

It seems to me that you would have all the skills to be very appetizing to a future employer imo.
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04-16-2016 , 03:31 AM
Seems the NFL project is off the table?

Plot Planning & Planting certainly sounds challenging / interesting, imo. GL! To me, the database /shopping list is mostly trivial. The drag & drop GUI, calculating geometry / preventing plants from colliding with each other and all that is not in my wheelhouse, and I think a slick interface could be quite impressive.
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04-16-2016 , 03:45 AM
@Victor : You should post all 6 projects imo. There could be a really interesting angle you're missing in one of the other 5 projects you didn't list that could make/break it.

Edit : @ your currently proposed project. If that is what you are going to do then JqueryUI is all you need for the dragging plants around, deleting plants, etc. The most complex aspect, imo, will be the ui aspect which will be made much less complex w/ jqueryUI. At that point, its just saving some values to the db.

Last edited by Craggoo; 04-16-2016 at 03:50 AM.
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04-16-2016 , 04:19 AM
Making it look polished and having fun things to play with is probably the most important thing imo. Backend technical details would be nice but you'll never get them to see or hear about it if it doesn't look good and interesting at a glance.
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04-16-2016 , 07:04 AM
thanks all for the feedback. I will post the other project options.

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Originally Posted by Craggoo
Just trying to minify your post. I think your idea about NFL players is really cool. I was talking with a buddy of mine tonight who wanted to launch a dfs stats site (daily fantasy sports). I gave him some pointers on how I would setup the db/frontend. Your idea to track/display NFL player stats is very similar. Assuming you're tracking stats for players across multiple sites, I would say this anything but super simple. As far as the project goes it will show the following :

1) Your ability to layout a complex db structure
2) Your ability to communicate between backend/frontend code
3) Your ability to create a (hopefully) visually appealing frontend

It seems to me that you would have all the skills to be very appetizing to a future employer imo.
not sure if this is what I envisioned. at least, I am not sure about bolded.

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Seems the NFL project is off the table?

Plot Planning & Planting certainly sounds challenging / interesting, imo. GL! To me, the database /shopping list is mostly trivial. The drag & drop GUI, calculating geometry / preventing plants from colliding with each other and all that is not in my wheelhouse, and I think a slick interface could be quite impressive.
I may take a crack at the NFL project on my own. any ideas on stuff to incorporate?

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Originally Posted by Craggoo
@Victor : You should post all 6 projects imo. There could be a really interesting angle you're missing in one of the other 5 projects you didn't list that could make/break it.

Edit : @ your currently proposed project. If that is what you are going to do then JqueryUI is all you need for the dragging plants around, deleting plants, etc. The most complex aspect, imo, will be the ui aspect which will be made much less complex w/ jqueryUI. At that point, its just saving some values to the db.
ya, it will take a lot of jquery but I am not very good at that so it will be good practice.
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04-16-2016 , 07:09 AM
here are the other project options:


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzP...ew?usp=sharing

let me know if yall cant see it.
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04-16-2016 , 10:58 AM
these are done individually or in teams? You have been taught how to do these things? The TA are helping you along the way? Are you being taught or guided? I don't 100% understand how the process works.
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04-16-2016 , 11:20 AM
It's displayed correctly

The potluck planner sounds like fun, though I suspect it's the least valued of these projects.
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04-16-2016 , 12:52 PM
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these are done individually or in teams? You have been taught how to do these things? The TA are helping you along the way? Are you being taught or guided? I don't 100% understand how the process works.
Teams of 3 or 4. 2 weeks to work. We have been taught what we need to know and use to create the apps. Our instructors will certainly help guide us if necessary. I feel pretty confident that I can implement just about all of the features and functionality on my own with the help of Google.
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04-16-2016 , 01:34 PM
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so I was actually contacted by 4 companies. scheduled an on-site for the end of the month with a large and highly respected company.

another company sent me an email on tuesday asking to meet this week. I asked for next week, at any time. She said she had to talk to the CEO who was out of the office. Today, she emails me that they arent gonna go forward.

Another company said they wanted an on-site and asked me to fill out a questionnaire and I haven't heard from them in a week. I guess I will send an email but that seems shot too.

So, these 2 companies really piss me off. Especially the company that cancelled the interview within 3 days of contacting me. Is that at all normal behavior and interaction in the working world?

the other company I had a phone interview and they said they would contact me in 2 weeks. they only were hiring 2 ppl so I would be surprised if I made that cut.
Companies I have found can often be disorganized when it comes to communication. A quick email can't hurt.
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04-16-2016 , 03:59 PM
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not sure if this is what I envisioned. at least, I am not sure about bolded.
Maybe I misunderstood what your NFL project was. I thought you were looking to build a dfs type site?
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04-16-2016 , 04:54 PM
Season long projections. So just a display of my projections that I do every year and ppl on 2p2 seem to be interested in. Then I would try to incorporate a bit more functionality.

But if you have an idea for dfs I could try to build it.
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04-20-2016 , 07:41 PM
From the cohort that graduated 3.5 months ago at least 6 do not have jobs. That is putting the 3 month employment rate at 85% max.
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04-21-2016 , 02:00 PM
do you know what percent have cs degrees or stem degrees? and the ones who aren't hired yet in comparison? curious how much that matters.
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04-21-2016 , 11:44 PM
Very rough estimate would be 1/3 CS degrees, another 1/3 stem degrees. I would say it matters a ton. None of those people still looking for jobs have stem degrees.
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04-21-2016 , 11:49 PM
Do they have two year stem degrees by chance?
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04-21-2016 , 11:59 PM
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Do they have two year stem degrees by chance?
I am not really sure, more likely than not I would think 4 year degrees. My speculation would be that a 2 year degree in Comp Sci would still be very useful. I know there were a few with unfinished CS degrees and they all did well.
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04-22-2016 , 12:25 AM
It's a bit misleading to say that they can take anyone from zero to hero... then the only ones that can't seem to find work are the ones that started out at zero.
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04-22-2016 , 12:50 AM
Why you think a/A has a 3% acceptance rate?
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04-22-2016 , 01:49 AM
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Why you think a/A has a 3% acceptance rate?
I'm sure if they had the ability to teach more/larger cohorts the acceptance rate would be higher.
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04-22-2016 , 05:00 PM
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It's a bit misleading to say that they can take anyone from zero to hero... then the only ones that can't seem to find work are the ones that started out at zero.
Well that's not something that they can control though - it's the employers that prefer STEM/CS graduates. If anything, it's only going to help them in the long run that they went through the same bootcamp as those with a stronger background.
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04-23-2016 , 04:33 PM
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/lin...h-fake-degrees

get a degree online from a fake university.
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05-02-2016 , 05:33 PM
so all that whining and I ended up with an offer (which I will take) the Monday after graduation.
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