Yeah that is what I meant, I guess those all aren't considered languages, but someone coming out of a boot camp is only going to be at a very basic level on several of those so not really sure how you can tailor your resume unless you are going to bs.

My $0.02 on cover letters, they seem like a minir factor to me based on what I have expetienced. For many job postings it is not that clear how the hiring outfit prioriterizes the skills they are seeking. Also it is often not that clear the specifics of the role(s) they are looking to fill. Heck often that clear when they are looking to bring someone onboard. I mean sometimes hiring oufits are just kicking the tires. Wasting time guessing (as candybar states more ir less) seems unproductive. FWIW I have learned to that before agreeing to interview it is worthwhile to ask questions about the role they are seeking and when they expect to fill the position. Also if your resume is good, you will get contacted without a cover letter. Also, as candybar states, a poor cover letter can eliminate you. Why take the chance if you have s good resume?

Lots of jobs I have applied to have had a section asking for a cover letter or to enter in a few paragraphs about why you would be a good fit. Hell one company asked me to write a poem.

Most of my applications have been to small and midsized startups. Maybe 10% tops were to large companies.

Only 2 of my 6 phone screens were technical phone screens. The others just asked about my background.

Sorry not sure where this was linked to, but it's well worth reading (I listened to the podcast actually):

http://softwareengineeringdaily.com/...e-engineering/

Well structured essay that goes into the bubble or lack thereof and compares it to poker, with advice on how to manage your career growth. It's a little bit more useful if you've already started working, but will be good motivation for those of you who haven't and are nervous/discouraged.

Awesome read. TY for posting.

I think a big difference between poker (and games in general) and 'real jobs' is that most consumers want the job done specifically by a human. It's not so hard to teach a bot to play stronger than a human, but it's difficult to teach it to play like a human (though the AlphaGo development is a step in this direction).

As of now, it's easy to recognise if a chess opponent is using an engine (e.g. search for 'Chessexplained vs cheater' on Youtube), and humans looking for fun usually don't appreciate it when they expect a human opponent but get a computer one. To prevent this, sophisticated anti-bot systems are in place, especially in poker, and bot detection is improving at about the same rate (hopefully) as bot construction.

Hi c00n, didn't knew you where also reading this part of the forum.

Sites do almost nothing for bot prevention unless something has changed recently. Many times sites have dragged feet when given solid stat analysis proving bot rings.

Any thoughts on poker players transitioning to a programmer getting an industry certification like the Oracle Certified Professional, Java SE 7 Programmer certification? Unless I missed it I haven't seen any mentions ITT.

For people who already broke into the industry it is probably mostly a waste of time. Though I think for a poker player without any work history it could be really helpful to put on your resume and help get a foot in the door.

If I lived in the US, I'd get that certificate; an in-person class is also an extra chance to practise conversation with non-poker people, at which poker players are often bad, especially online ones, but which will of course be required at a job. Plus, the class is at 9 AM - 5 PM on Mon-Fri by default, so you'll even get enough time to play poker if you have an itch for that, though I'd advise to take a break from poker during those 5 days.

I'd get trained in Java SE 8 (that supports lambda expressions ) instead of SE 7, though, for a better future attractiveness of the qualification to employers, especially because the price is the same.

Offtopic: Oh and hi LBox, you're not going to see me hang out here too much except for the n00b thread, and I'll hopefully do just one project that will make me rich enough not to pursue a programming job in the 2nd world later on (as I'm not allowed automatically to work in the 1st world).

officially enrolled, given access to full program, google group, etc.

looked at postings in the google group and there's one for a room for rent. One of the pictures has, quite clearly on a bookshelf, some book with a huge swastika on it.

In the mongolian culture it have a different meaning, it could be that.

Could it be Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? That is a very good history book that also happens to have a huge swastika on the front of it. Either that or they are neo natzis.

Word on the street is Hack Reactor's job placement stats fell by one percentage point for 2015 from 99 to 98 and they are switching their hiring stats from percentage getting a job within 3 months to percentage getting a job within 6.

One of the schools in Reactor Core apparently isn't doing that great and what is most concerning is they say their way of evaluating job placement rates is probably off. http://mobilemakers.co/blog/2016/3/1...0oskseofgeblme

Our cohort isn't doing terribly in terms of job search, although at least 5 of us still don't have on-sites. Apparently the other cohort that graduated at the same time as us is doing very poorly though. Interesting to see what they do to try and fix this. Will it be swept under the rug or are they going to pull out all the stops to try to get people jobs?

Obviously I am pretty worried at this point, but that does not mean that there is not hope. We are at the halfway mark into the 3 month period, there is still time for people to find jobs.

It's not w clear enough picture to read the cover. Looks like it has four bold letters on it, maybe MIB* (possibly an A).

Has there been any word of students getting hired on as TAs at hack reactor?

Hmm yeah not enough info to tell. I guess it is better a book then a flag or a shirt. At least there is a possible explanation for a book.

The way TAs work is that around 4 get hired out of every cohort for a 3 month period. Then they begin their job search. So in terms of stats they treat them as if they graduated from when their TA period ends. They don't count becoming a TA as being hired.

Some good news. Many people have gotten 120k+ offers. One guy without a college degree just got a 150k offer.

I know this is very difficult in practice but I would try not to worry too much about how other people from your class are doing - everyone's circumstances are different and this is even more so for bootcamp graduates. Networking and helping each other with interview tips, mock interviews, resumes, etc is good but it's important to have perspective and realize that you're just looking at a tiny slice of people who may not have all that much common from employers' perspective.

True definitely agree. For the most part people with big offers I have thought deserved the big offers. It was really nice to see the guy without the college degree get it. He is smart as ****, stayed until 11 every night, and it gives hope to those without strong backgrounds. Some people that got lower offers are not too happy with it, but from my perspective we are junior programmers. If we prove ourselves and do well, the next job should have a lot higher salary.

The latest numbers I heard was half of our cohort has jobs, and 4 from the other cohort have jobs. A cohort is around 35-40 people. Also heard they are doing some major revamps to the program.

If you get near the end of six months without a single in person, I'd start to worry. But you're still so early on in applying. Hiring has slowed in the area, but not too much.

Give access to full program? Is there like a textbook?

in case anyone hadn't read it before, tech crunch did a three-part series on bootcamps/hirees. I'd only ever read the first two, but the third part was released in late december. Just remembered about it today so thought i'd link it for any interested parties:

part 1
part 2
part 3

they recommend a couple books and online resources, like RubyMonk, Learn to Program by Chris Pine (I'd already read it), and Beginning Ruby by Peter Cooper (I've downloaded the most up-to-date version as it was recommended in Odin Project).

They have a few weeks laid out and assignments set up that you have to turn in before your cohort starts.

so I was actually contacted by 4 companies. scheduled an on-site for the end of the month with a large and highly respected company.

another company sent me an email on tuesday asking to meet this week. I asked for next week, at any time. She said she had to talk to the CEO who was out of the office. Today, she emails me that they arent gonna go forward.

Another company said they wanted an on-site and asked me to fill out a questionnaire and I haven't heard from them in a week. I guess I will send an email but that seems shot too.

So, these 2 companies really piss me off. Especially the company that cancelled the interview within 3 days of contacting me. Is that at all normal behavior and interaction in the working world?

the other company I had a phone interview and they said they would contact me in 2 weeks. they only were hiring 2 ppl so I would be surprised if I made that cut.

Could be that there are limited spots and they have candidates that they want to move forward with already but wanted to give you a shot just in case.

A week seems long-ish but not out of the ordinary. Was there any information in the questionnaire that you think may have scared them off? Not all companies have dedicated recruiting teams that are competent.

All kinds of shenanigans are pretty common. People paying money for things are always fickle..