http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-t...eed-1797564320

Dude apparently has a PhD from Harvard, and is now unemployed. https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/07/go...s-memo-author/

There's just something not right about getting a PhD from Harvard, then going to work as an engineer for google. Something went wrong along the way. He's probably just mad about his grandiose dreams not working out.

I've worked with a few devs with PhD's - two were absolutely horrible. One was ok.

You can get a phd in CS or even something like EE while completely being an academic, i.e. not having much real world applicable skill. It's not surprising nor should it even count as a black mark to say so. PhDs aren't *for* developing concrete skills.

Some phds are good programmers, but thats in spite of their phd, not because of it.

One of my first side jobs in college was writing code for CS grad students,

In many universities CS is taught like math, completely sans computers.

I actually wrote that without knowing who the phd in question was. What a ****bird.

The opening paragraphs about left -vs- right was already an indicator of sheltered ignorance. I didn't read much further... PhD's don't need to learn to write intelligently, I guess.

I just want to point out that, as far as I've been able to tall, self-identifying conservatives are more liberal than self-identifying liberals.

/pols, kthx

Evolutionary psychology is bull****

From your link:

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He also argued that women are more neurotic than men, and that this is a factor in their employment.

Read the memo, didn't see the word neurotic used one time.. Your post is a pretty low level of attack in reality. Why not actually discuss the content of the memo instead of disparaging people in CS who are PHD level? That is stupid. Maybe the liquor was doing some talking?

Apparently the link you provided is full of inaccuracie.

http://heavy.com/tech/2017/08/james-...iversity-memo/

Unclear whether or not the guy has a PHD and if he does it is in the field of biology.

Not sure that a PhD is especially useful, but I don't know that it's harmful...plenty of PhDs from Harvard (or wherever) aren't great at being academics either, so being able to translate whatever useful things were learned to another discipline isn't automatic.

(Didn't read the memo since...nothing new but am amused enough, adios, to suggest you try `grep -i neurotic`)

I just read it too. still have it open even.

is neuroticism the same as neurotic? seems like thats exactly what he meant.

regardless, the viewpoint that I just quoted is pretty offensive and likely plain wrong.

That women are more neurotic than men (as measured by the psychological trait of neuroticism, for which standard tests exist) is just a fact. The problem is that in addition to the formal meaning of neurotic, it has a pejorative usage. It's sort of like describing people as "******ed" intending the technical meaning of the word.

What a surprise, our woman hater sides with a Phd woman hater. In the memo the Phd gave a basis to question the abilities of every female at Google, thus creating a hostile work environment for Women. Google had no choice but to fire him, it's amazing the Phd didn't see that in his future. I'm not sure what he expected the outcome to be of his memo, but not having your screed about being anti-diversity, anti-empath and anti-liberal be given gold stars in a California based tech company right now seems pretty obvious.

Yea the memo took on a far too big of a role than one which it ever could have succeeded. Not sure what the guy thought he could accomplish, but I do understand the general emotional philosophy and motive behind it (while at the time disagreeing with many of the specific points).

I think similarly to what the extreme left does with a lot of conservative viewpoints, completely strawmanning and blowing this memo out of proportion is damaging to their goals.

I generally lean left on a lot of issues, but I have to say what the extreme left (a lot of times at college campuses) has disgusted me as much as some of the alt-right and probably played a big role with the backlash of Trump being the current POTUS.

I have a lot of thoughts on the subject.

It's very hard to generalize large groups of people, especially groups as large as "men" and "women" but while we are doing it, I think "women" are likely better then men when it comes to having biological traits that make for effective employees and leaders, in virtually every field.

I think the next 200 years are going to see a major shift in women's leadership globally, and I think it will be a major positive compared to history.

I also agree with saw's last paragraph, and while I lean very left socially, I value tolerance and respect of others' opinions very highly. I also was a member of Obama's campaign and have a degree in political science and my fiancee voted for Trump, and its cool.

must be really hot.

Tolerance doesn't mean you have to accept people pissing in the pool. Not every viewpoint is equal and some we've already decided as a society are wrong so I don't feel the need to give racists or sexists equal time to spout their nonsense. Whether this guy made some points about accepting conservative viewpoints or not isn't material to his being fired for furthering gender stereotypes Google has committed to fighting. Using genetic traits to come out against diversity seems a bit Teutonic but I guess thanks Obama...

Just throwing your hands up and calling him sexist is the exact problem I'm talking about. I commend him for laying out his points in a very dispassionate, objective, and rational manner.

I do disagree with much of his memo though, as I said, so my response would not be to call him a sexist pig and kick him to the curb, but rather I think it's better to refute his argument point by point with your own series of dispassionate, objective, and rational points.

Yea I would avoud calling him a sexist, and would instead call him an idiot.

Why are hesitating to call him a sexist? He is using fairly ridiculous claims denegrate the entire gender. What more would he have had to do to clearly be sexist to you guys? And who has an opinion on Tableau vs MS Power BI as a Shiny replacement?

I avoid calling him sexist because he comes across as not trying to denigrate but rather point out the differences that he sees is backed up by science. He clearly wants to have a well-thought out conversation about this topic, which he may have had with employees, but all the public left has done that I've seen (news headlines and kerowo) has just been to call him a sexist and move on.

I really dont think his argument was very rational or logical. it is riddled with inconsistencies, conflicting ideas, and over generalizations.

You assume I know no more about this than you do, which is probably wrong. I don't think the science he sites is as clear as you make it out to be, and regardless, there is a huge difference between saying men are stronger than women and every man is stronger than every woman, which is what is implying by trying to set policy based on traits.

I agree. I'm not saying he's correct, just that he's trying to have an honest conversation. I don't think he's misleading because he believes men are superior or anything like that, he just doesn't understand the science. So he should be corrected instead of denigrated.

I agree - same response as above. I haven't implied anything about the science being clear and who's right/wrong. I keep thinking I don't have to include the disclaimers about how I disagree with the guy anymore, but it seems I do.

I agree with this as well. I think the author of the memo is actually trying to REDUCE gender-based policy, not have more of it. He complains multiple times that there are avenues and resources for women and other minorities not available to him.

Lol, they are only being made available because white males didn't need them to get where they are. He's arguing for the status quo which is how we ended up with a mono-culture in the first place.

I just think it is wrong to judge individual people on the basis of their broader distinctions such as race, ethnicity, country, age and gender.

100s of millions of women are certainly capable of being leaders. likewise men. they should be chosen based on what they can provide.

that some study or a bunch of studies showed that women "on average, have more Neuroticism" absolutely should not be something that is taken into account forcing women to overcome another obstacle.