Look, its Dave trying to ignore more actual evidence and posing hypotheticals about how white-men really COULD be discriminated against here - we just can't know.


No, the numbers aren't the same. The numbers are significantly higher when you don't artificially restrict yourself to just new graduates. There are millions of women working in tech. It obviously dwarfs whatever number of hires Google has.

It's hard to comprehend because you're making a really dumb point using really dumb logic.

Dave, why is this so important to you? Judging from your other posts, it would seem to me that you have more important problems than the "discrimination" against white men at Google (or against white male candidates who were rejected in favor of minority candidates or whatever), all of whom are vastly better off than you and 95% of Americans are. Also, even if your contention that Google is going too far with their diversity initiatives is somehow correct, it's a rare phenomenon unique to few elite and culturally progressive institutions - we're still a country that elected Trump and white male privilege is a real phenomenon in many walks of life. If anything, my guess is that your background is such that you've hardly had any exposure to such progressive institutions and your actual life experience has been full of situations and places where being a white male was generally beneficial.

Yes, I want to hear how the anti-fascists are worse than the actual fascists...

I think you're missing how the people like Dave (and not necessarily Dave himself) view the situation. Donald Trump is the answer to the "very real" discrimination white-males (and Christians) experience in the US these days.

They don't believe he's an example of white male privilege. He's their answer to the white-male oppression that they've been increasing facing.


Oh, Dave definitely doesn't believe this is true. But now you've opened that can of worms.

tl:;dr has Dave still not addressed his embarrassing posting about easier tests?

crickets

Wow, okay, you assume I would vote for Trump. For me, the entire election was a point of silly entertainment and I could care less who won this, or any election.

I'm among silent majority who sits at home. The only bull**** from DC I care about is a set of laws that are too personal to discuss with strangers. I'll only say said laws caused massive damage during my entire upbringing and could reasonably cause my early death, but yeah, I guess being a white male helped me from being among the millions of white males who died before they were 30.

Anyone that thought Trump would change this mysterious set of laws, the healthcare bill, or build a wall along the border is deluding themselves.

Cheers.

Oh, I'm having a slow week of sales, work, and life.

Beginning of the year. I just find this whole thing wildly entertaining and an interesting viewpoint into this strange world.

Your guess is very much correct! This is why I'm asking about this whole white privilege.

Ffs Dave, when you post a mile of gifs could you do us the favor of posting which ones make whatever ridiculous point your trying to make. For the life of me I don’t see anything about easier tests for women or for why anti-fascists are worse than fascists.

And the idea that Trump was going to be the same as Hilliary really discounts you from having any further political opinions of note.

I explicitly called out that I was no longer talking about you personally.

By the way, your sitting out of elections because it doesn't really effect you is a big giant heap of white male privilege.

Wait. you now claim that "your actual life experience has been full of situations and places where being a white male was generally beneficial."

I'm not going to find an example now, but haven't you frequently talked about how you were the small white minority in a poor area and you were frequently the target of racism and discrimination?

I keep on pointing out the page numbers and people keep on asking about the proof of the yadda yadda easier tests for women. You are correct, I shouldn't have bothered posting the screenshots.

I don't know, the sentence cb wrote is here:

my guess is that your background is such that you've hardly had any exposure to such progressive institutions and your actual life experience has been full of situations and places where being a white male was generally beneficial.

It may have been confusing.

Which one do you think supports the idea of easier tests for women?

Heh, that was my instant reaction to that beautiful line. Dave seeing the election as "entertainment" and not giving two ****s who wins because he knows it doesn't affect him in any way is the height of white male privilege.

Yeah what? Were those screenshots supposed to be a response to something? lol

Oh my god. At that time, I was working a part time in a ****ty restaurant. You cannot get full time work in a restaurant because they don't want to pay you health care. I could not walk into that place and say "Yo, bro, I'm white! Give me full time work and health care."

So, to make ends meet, I was doing other types of work on the side, all while sitting at home, learning how to program, applying to jobs, and interviewing.

I know **** well that Clinton wasn't going to delete the health care bill. I know **** well Trump isn't going to delete the health care bill.

Growing up, I had ZERO resources to get into college. I couldn't walk into admissions and say "Yo, I'm white but my parents suck. Can I get in?"

I was 18 and had to find a place to stay. Guess what? I couldn't walk into an apartment and say "Yo! I'm white, give me an apartment!"

To this day, I can literally die over things that are unknown about me. At no point can I walk into a doctors office and say "Yo, I'm white. Make sure I don't die!"

I couldn't get into college, struggled to get an apartment, and I can die because of a single set of laws! Clinton isn't going to change that; Trump isn't going to change that. Those laws are completely gender and color blind. I'm not alive today over being white or male. I just happened to understand my odds of seeing 30 growing up (which is why I never did drugs), and got extremely lucky because believe me, I came close many many times.

These issues affect all people like me, and there is nothing about being any color or gender that changed a single ****ing circumstance. The stats don't lie.

Maybe you think I'm acting silly, but I'm truly lost on any notion of "white privilege," and if you believe that my whiteness has anything to do with my apathy, you are dead wrong. I'm apathetic because I know the government doesn't give a flying **** about the things I wake up worrying about every day.

Why don't you tell the whites who are dying overseas that they are privileged, or tell their white widows that everything is okay because they are white, or tell the millions of factory workers and miners that they have privilege. Tell the millions white people on welfare that they are privileged.

The ignorance of that statement is shocking. I ignored it but getting a +1 is just disgusting.

Dave, white privilege isn't a magic genie that just grants wishes. It also doesn't mean that nothing bad will ever happen to you.

Your statements are pretty telling about your view of minorities and women. You honestly seem to think that life is really easy for them and that they DO have a magic wand that gets them whatever they want (college admission, apartments, jobs, etc.). And yet, despite this magical wand, they're behind in almost every single metric. The only way that makes sense is if you actually believe they're less capable.

Your thoughts on the health care bill are delusional. It's already been cut back in numerous ways by Trump. It came one vote away from being totally destroyed - and that vote wasn't from Trump.

And, here's the thing, your white privilege is that you don't have to worry about all of the other ****ty things that this administration is doing. The fact that you think Clinton and Trump are the same - is because most of the really ****ty things the Trump administration is doing aren't being done to you.

hahahaha oh my god

Like, how is it possible that this is something that needs to be explained to a grown-ass adult

I don't think google ever claimed that. They were doing what jj does, "different but equal" interview processes.

Some of you may be surprised to find out that Asian males make more money than White males in the same fields. I remember seeing a chart in Sociology class that I took some 6 years ago. The order of highest paid to least was as follows:

Asian Male
White Male
White Female
Asian Female
Black Male
Black Female
Hispanic Male
Native American Male
Hispanic Female
Native American Female

Asian Males make the most, but they also have to get higher SAT scores to get into those colleges than other races. Affirmative action with colleges may actually be a large contributor to wage gaps in gender and race.

This is why I don't like that kind of admission process. It uses discrimination to eliminate discrimination. It should use anonymity to eliminate discrimination instead. If Google gives easier tests for women that would be discrimination. daveT quoted David Guild in some sort of chat box thing. I don't think this is substantial evidence that Google is giving easier tests for women though.

The we-are-all-one-gender/tip-toe-on-egg-shells culture thing has always been kinda creepy to me. Despite the culture at Google, I've seen pictures of what it looks like inside of Google and it looks like an awesome place to work. I love the design of all the rooms that differ from the stereotypical cubical office. It makes work look like fun.

Two things:
1. Anonymity would make white supremacy worse because white people live in the richest neighborhoods with the best schools. Sorting by test scores would shut out kids entirely that could have done better simply by growing up in a different place, which is the sort of injustice AA is supposed to prevent.
2. lol white people, if Asian people are at the top of the ladder then it has to be proof of overcorrection (it's not btw, Asian immigrants are wealthier than others which is why you see that) and we have to scrap the whole system

This post was baffling. If you cared at all about the issues at hand, you'd have taken the time to explain it to him, but you chose to mock him.

Which is fine, I guess, we're all doing this for our own entertainment, but come on.

It's exactly this type of behaviour that drove people (not necessarily dave, but the white centre) into the hands of Trump. If you both claim the moral highground and act like a dick from up there, people are going to resent you. Who knew.

If you want to stop Trump (or want more liberal politicians in office, or w/e you care about), one of the main things you have to do is convince the white centre to not vote for Trump. You're doing nothing of the sort.

If you want to argue "liberals caused Trump" and deny any agency whatsoever from the people that willingly flocked to a massive racist and filled stadiums to see him speak, go to the Politics forum. Over here, Dave is entirely allergic to facts and has way too many gender grievances occupying his brain (do you even know how much men are punished for being men these days??) for it to ever be anything but a waste of time to try "convincing" him of that which he is not already inclined to believe. It's entertainment or nothing. Additionally...

Dave doesn't vote! Mission accomplished!

I don't want to do any of that. People preferring a racist over liberal condescension is on them, and they're wrong. I'm not saying those people don't have agency. I'm saying that given that you know there are plenty of white people with those preferences, if you care for liberal values you should attempt to be less condescending.

Maybe I have higher hopes than you for the conversion of Dave. He's engaging, at least. I don't think it's entertainment or nothing.