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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Give me a ****ing break. It's telling people to be respectful. It's telling people to be considerate of others. At worst there is one little flaw in that it should maybe be clearer that its not always a problem if something you say is offensive to others.
i'm usually a fan of smaller government, less laws, etc. when you decide to implement a strict 'code', you better be damn sure that there is no ambiguity. when things aren't clear and open for interpretation, things quickly get out of hand.
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
But we have people dealing with systematic sexual harassment, violent threats, real life harassment, and generally ****ty environments. Clearly there is a serious problem here - and its not this code of conduct.
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Originally Posted by casidnet
The problem is a lot of people think freedom of speech also means freedom from consequences.
i dont even see why this^ is a point of discussion. i agree with all of that.
all of those things are bad. but the same freedom exists for the targets of the attacks. you don't like it? leave. why would you subject yourself to the idiocy of some bigot who is harassing you? just because some code exists to suppress that person's true feelings, do you really want to be working and collaborating with them? find a new project without asholess at the helm. don't insist on a code of conduct for your protection. how about taking some responsibility for yourself, and gtfo of a bad situation
no one is saying there shouldn't be consequences for having your hate speech. but the free market will handle that already. you wanna spew your hate speech in jjshabado's house? then your consequences will be getting thrown out. no problem with that at all. you wanna act like a douche and condescend people? go ahead. the results will be poor contribution to your community. thats your consequences.
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Like Greg, please post some concrete things you'd like to post in an open source community that you feel will be stifled by this code of conduct.
"look, the code you've contributed is bad. you need to be more precise with your commits, you need to follow the guidelines that we've set in place. you're being sloppy and we don't have the time to babysit every pull request you make"
"how dare you talk to me like that! you're implying that i'm a baby? you need to speak to me with more respect. you're in violation of the code of conduct!"
extreme example, but there are people like that. the point remains, the speaker should not need to second guess what he says. i dont give a fcuk if you are offended. it is not my job to 'listen carefully' to your gripe, nor to 'do my best to right the wrong'. either get with the program or get out.
the problem is that it invites more abuse than the problems it aims to solve. sections of this code of conduct puts unnecessary power in the hands of the accuser. i'll go even more extreme and say that rules like this are anti-american. that should rile everyone up even more
i think the onus should be on providing some concrete examples of problems this code solves, and reasons why it is necessary, that wouldn't otherwise be solved by the consequences of the natural law of cause and effect
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Originally Posted by facebook post
"I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion, but I'm gay, and I don't think there's nearly as much discrimination as people claim. Don't get me wrong, I've experienced discrimination. But it hasn't been a huge factor in my life. I feel like a lot of people bring discrimination on themselves by getting in people's faces too much. They like to say: 'Accept me or else!' They go around demanding respect as a member of a group, instead of earning respect as an individual. And that sort of behavior invites discrimination. I've never demanded respect because I was gay, and I haven't experienced much discrimination when people find out that I am."
https://www.facebook.com/humansofnew...9911422416295/
Last edited by greg nice; 07-24-2015 at 11:44 AM.