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Old 11-24-2014, 08:29 AM   #26
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Re: Most Important Event in US History

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The Cuban Missile Crisis... most specifically, the cool head of Russian submariner Vasili Arkhipov.

Safe to say the world would be a very different place today if the hawks got their wish.
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Hi Jiggs:

This is certainly an interesting event, and one in which very few people are even aware of. But I wonder since nothing happened as opposed to something significant happening if it's quite the same.

But I do agree that things could have been quite different if the Russian commander had fired his nuclear tipped torpedoes.

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Sometimes nothing happening IS significant, but depends on what that nothing is.
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:58 AM   #27
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Thought about it some more and the most important event in US history is the founding. As a character in the movie I, Robot says, "Everything that follows, is the result of what you see here."

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Old 11-25-2014, 12:24 AM   #28
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Old 11-25-2014, 10:03 AM   #29
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I was talking about a line in the movie and not what the movie was about. The quote is highly applicable.
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Old 11-25-2014, 12:33 PM   #30
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Old 11-27-2014, 05:33 PM   #31
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Unless you don't count them as US history events, it has to be the atomic bomb or the moon landing. They will be well known 50,000 years from now when only scholars will know who George Washington was.
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Unless you don't count them as US history events, it has to be the atomic bomb or the moon landing. They will be well known 50,000 years from now when only scholars will know who George Washington was.
Good ole' George. Our second President.

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Old 12-19-2014, 05:18 PM   #33
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Hi Everyone:

We can use this thread to give our most important events and to debate each of them.

So to start, I have an opinion which I know will be poorly accepted by many of you, but here it is anyway. I believe the most important event in US history is the death of Thomas J "Stonewall" Jackson. That's because if he lives it's my opinion that Lincoln losses The Election of 1864 and a Southern Nation comes into being.

As to some possibilities as why this might be the case:

1. If Jackson lives, the Southern victory at Chancellorsville might have been even more over whelming which could have allowed Lee to threaten Washington.

2. If Jackson goes north with Lee to Gettysburg, the Confederate army probably would have preformed much better.

3. Jackson possibly could have been sent to the West to command The Army of Tennessee and he definitely would have been a much better commander than Braxton Bragg.

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Have you read Savior Generals by Victor Davis Hanson? His profile/chapter on Sherman is pretty compelling and perhaps serves as a foil to your contention (that and history is written by the winners a la Zinn). Or maybe the void left by Jackson allowed for a Sherman????
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Old 12-23-2014, 10:50 PM   #34
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as a solipsist, my birth was my most significent event.
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Old 12-24-2014, 10:01 AM   #35
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Unless you don't count them as US history events, it has to be the atomic bomb or the moon landing. They will be well known 50,000 years from now when only scholars will know who George Washington was.
I disagree. Those are just inevitable events/discoveries of an advancing civilization.

As were fire, and the wheel, and the contact between the societies of the Eastern and Western hemispheres. Inevitable, but still worth having a Columbus Parade for.
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Old 12-25-2014, 03:41 AM   #36
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Have you read Savior Generals by Victor Davis Hanson? His profile/chapter on Sherman is pretty compelling and perhaps serves as a foil to your contention (that and history is written by the winners a la Zinn). Or maybe the void left by Jackson allowed for a Sherman????
Hi optionality:

I have not read the book you mention.

Also, while I consider Uncle Billy's accomplishments very important to US history, I think they're even more important to world history. Perhaps a topic for a different thread.

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Old 12-31-2014, 08:37 PM   #37
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Unless you don't count them as US history events, it has to be the atomic bomb or the moon landing. They will be well known 50,000 years from now when only scholars will know who George Washington was.
I'd actually be quite surprised if the atomic bomb resonated for 50 millennia. That's making a lot of assumptions about the future of war and weaponry. Nuclear weapons made incredibly propaganda weapons but have alot of downsides, are difficult to deploy, and involve lots of risk to utilize for the attacker.

In a future where battlefields are likely populated by robots or nanotech and those battlefields might be in outer space and away from our atmosphere, I think it equally as likely nuclear weapons are a footnote in the history of warfare when considered over timescales that involve millennia. This borders on anecdotal, but many current first-world military budgets aren't really dedicated to nuclear weaponry; military tech budgets are far more focused on robotics, nanotech, space lasers, etc. than they are on nuclear weaponry and deployment systems or whatever. All the reasons for that are why I'd be shocked to see modern military might of say 500 years from now involve significant amounts of nuclear weapons. Future military power is going to involve self-replicating tiny robot nanotech or **** that can create massive explosions from space in seconds (e.g., lasers). Some future battle, probably no more than 250-500 years away, is going to involve trillions of tiny 1cm round or less nanodrones harassing people or infrastructure or whatever and some desperate clown will launch a nuke against it, maybe (if they're lucky) incinerate a few trillion of them, and then the remaining nanodrone robots will regroup and replicate themselves back into its former force post-blast within hours. And that will be the last of meaningful and useful of nuclear weapons in combat imo, and that's assuming the writing on the wall regarding nuclear weapon uselessness isn't clear already.

If there are historians 50k years from now covering us, nuclear weapons are going to be akin to spears and rocks.

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Old 01-09-2015, 04:21 AM   #38
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I was talking more about splitting the atom, even though the bomb was not the first example of it.
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Old 01-09-2015, 02:31 PM   #39
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Passage of Federal Reserve/Income Tax around 1913. Federal income tax led to increase in State sales and income taxes. IMHO, slowed technological development. It turned the USA into a quasi-collectivist state as opposed to a individualist republic state. It allowed ending of the gold standard and cheap debt for the elite and spendthrifts. There may be a lot of good, but it is unclear whether this is long-term or lucky. Many say it it improved life, yet I say without them the country would be a better richer more equal more technology advanced place. Instead of the federal reserve and income tax they ended fractional reserve banking and large scale accumulation of land by individuals the public would have seen the errors of these systems.
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