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05-24-2012 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Francis M.H.
Bolded is extremely dubious. FDRs economic policies actually made the depression worse, WW2 is what brought us out of it. Also, unemployment for African American males has gone up since minimum wage was introduced. Finally, saying that FDR was the reason ww2 was won would anger many Russians and Truman was president when Japan was defeated.

I vote Lincoln
revisionist ITT
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05-24-2012 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by FLAGG LIVES
So was Harding apparently.

I'll go Washington or Jefferson, with Lincoln and FDR at 3/4.

Polk/Wilson/Coolidge rounding out the top 7.
Coolidge? That is just insane. Bottom 5 for sure. In no particular order;

1. Hoover
2. Harding
3. Coolidge
4. Andrew Johnson
5. Carter

Easily the worst 5 ever.
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06-04-2012 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by neverfoldthe1outer
Coolidge? That is just insane. Bottom 5 for sure. In no particular order;

1. Hoover
2. Harding
3. Coolidge
4. Andrew Johnson
5. Carter

Easily the worst 5 ever.
with Reagan, W., Grant, Pierce, and Buchanan rounding out the bottom 10.
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06-04-2012 , 03:38 PM
Grant / Buchanan were 1,000,000x worse than Johnson/Coolidge. Even Jimmy Carter shouldn't be bottom 5.

My bottom 5, no order:

1. Grant
2. Buchanan
3. Harding
4. must be pre 1990
5. B. Harrison

Hoover / Fillmore / Taylor / Reagan are somewhere down there, too.

Last edited by Zeno; 06-05-2012 at 12:51 AM. Reason: Timeframe limit on discussion
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06-09-2012 , 11:29 AM
1. FDR- Prolly the most important president as far as turning us into the country we currently are
2.George Washington- Revolutionary
3.Thomas Jefferson- Changed the face of the country more than any other
4.Abe Lincoln-Saved the Union
5.Teddy Roosevelt- Coolest president ever. Dude was a GO-GETTER
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06-18-2012 , 03:49 AM
There is a thread in politics where they are voting on the best president.
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07-09-2012 , 11:52 AM
I recently did quite a bit of work on Roosevelt and Hoover in regards to their attempts at mitigating the effects of the depression.

Here's a very brief summary of some of Roosevelts key acts from First and Second New Deal. Thought someone might be interested.









Again, this is obviously just a very short summary.
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07-09-2012 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by moyles10
I'm an English student studying American and European History for the last 2 years at University and 2 years prior to that in college. I've had numerous discussions with people about their opinions on the greatest American President and there have been several answers but the same names do pop up. The general consensus is Lincoln, who I rate highly but not as the best. Personally, Franklin Roosevelt deserves every bit of credit there is. The man brought an end to the economic depression that was ongoing in America and Europe, gave millions of unemployed Americans (mainly African Americans) jobs and welfare. And of course, he led America to victory in world war 2 fighting on two fronts and grew America into the most powerful nation on the planet. He did all this at a time of isolationism, which made things a lot harder for him. He also won 4 elections, an achievement that won't be replicated.

Share your thoughts.
Oh and I disagree with this. If anything the opposite is true, women / African Americans benefitted the least from his policies
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07-13-2012 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Username_
I recently did quite a bit of work on Roosevelt and Hoover in regards to their attempts at mitigating the effects of the depression.

Here's a very brief summary of some of Roosevelts key acts from First and Second New Deal. Thought someone might be interested.


First of all, thx, very interested. Come post in politics some time.


Soooooooo .... they artificially lowered loan interest rates for housing back in 1934, and it was a flop. Aaaaaaand we're now in a ****hole of an economic mess because they tried the same ****ing thing. Nice. Nice.


"Prices cannot be raised without real economic recovery."


This is false. Inflation raises prices, and is actually detrimental to the economy, especially in high amounts.
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07-13-2012 , 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Username_

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Emergency Banking Relief Act - "American capitalism had been saved in 8 days."

lol what???



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The Emergency Banking Act (the official title of which was the Emergency Banking Relief Act) was an act of the United States Congress spearheaded by President Franklin D. Roosevelt during the Great Depression. It was passed on March 9, 1933. This act allows only Federal Reserve-approved banks to operate in the United States of America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerge...ing_Relief_Act


Disallowing any Joe Schmoe the right to start a banking business is not saving American capitalism. That is a prohibition of American capitalism.


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The provisions of the act were as follows:

Title I


Section 2. To give the President the ability to declare a national emergency and have absolute control over the national finances and foreign exchange of the United States in the event of such an emergency.

Dictatorship. Nice.


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Section 3. To authorize the Secretary of the Treasury to order any individual or organization in the United States to deliver any gold that they possess or have custody of to the Treasury in return for "any other form of coin or currency coined or issued under the laws of the United States".

Government theft of citizens gold. Nice.


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Section 4. To make it illegal for a bank to do business during a national emergency (per section 2) without the approval of the President.
See previous dictator comment.


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Title II

To enable the Comptroller of the Currency (a post in the US Treasury) to take complete control of and operate any bank in the United States or its territories and to establish the terms and conditions under which bank is administered.
Fascism. Nice.


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Title IV

Section 401. To allow Federal Reserve banks to convert any US debt obligation (such as a bond) into cash at par value and any check, draft, banker acceptance, etc, into cash at 90% of its apparent value.

Section 402. To allow the Federal Reserve banks to make unsecured loans to any member bank at an interest rate of 1% over the prevailing discount rate.

Section 403. To allow Federal Reserve banks to make loans to anyone for up to 90 days if the loan is secured by a general obligation of the United States (such as a Treasury bond, for example).

The Federal Reserve prints money to pay off debt. This debases the currency and causes inflation and rising prices.


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Title V

Section 501. Appropriation of $2,000,000 to the President for carrying out this legislation. Section 502. (a severability clause)

Nice! Two million dollars from the tax payers to the president! Nice salary!!!


You say this piece of legislation saved American capitalism in 8 days? I look at this and I see a two million dollar richer fascist dictator debasing the currency and stifling American capitalism.

You're very wrong in your conclusions here.
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07-13-2012 , 04:52 AM
C.C.C. - you fail to mention segregation and discrimination


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The total of 200,000 African-American enrollees were segregated after 1935 but received equal pay and housing. Black leaders lobbied to secure leadership roles.[24] Secretary of the Interior Harold Ickes pressured Director Robert Fechner to appoint prominent African-Americans to supervisory positions such as education directors in the 143 segregated camps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civili...rps#Minorities


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In February, 1935, Rober Fechner, the national Director of the Civilian Conservation Corps, in correspondence concerning the occasional placement of a few blacks in camps which were for white enrollees, stated that such a breach in the policy of racially segregated camps was permissible and workable "because of the natural adaptability of Negroes to serve as cooks." A few months later fechner reiterated his views on this matter asserting that "in cases of this kind the small group of Negroes will be assigned to kitchen police or similar camp duties." The attitude reflected in these statements was a dominant feature of the C.C.C. operation, and segregation and/or discrimination against blacks occurred throughout the nine years of the Corps' existence. These circumstances prevailed in spite of the fact that the law establishing the C.C.C. forbade discrimination "on account of race, color, or creed...."

Discrimination against Negroes in regard to leadership positions in the C.C.C. was one aspect of the operation of the agency which brought forth numerous protests from a number of blacks and their supporters. One of the protestors, Edgar G. Brown, did gain a limited administrative post in the Corps, in large part because of backing from President Franklin D. Roosevelt, but his difficulties in the agency were a reflection of the overall struggle of blacks in their efforts to secure executive spots in the C.C.C.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.230...47699130300317

Journal of Negro History - Calvin W. Gower
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07-13-2012 , 04:59 AM
A.A.A. 1933

"Dealt effectively with overproduction."


I think an individual farmer would be better at dealing with any over or under production he may have as opposed to a bureaucracy. Furthermore, they paid farmers to destroy their "over produced" product? Hey, here's an idea. Instead of destroying something of value like that in an economic mess, maybe allow the farmer to decide to give some away as charity or not! What a novel ****ing idea!

You're on the right track here, but you fail to mention that that subsidization was at the cost of tax payers.
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07-13-2012 , 05:02 AM
I'm about to crash so won't comment any further tonight.


Overall the charts look good. Thx for posting them.
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07-17-2012 , 04:54 PM
Thread has officially crossed into politard territory. Banishment I say!
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07-17-2012 , 05:15 PM
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lol what???
Yeh I realise that's a pretty bold statement to be making but I just put it in as I thought it would be a good quote to use in an essay arguing for/against Roosevelt's effectiveness. Can't recall if it was an historian who said it or if it was just in the textbook.
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07-17-2012 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LirvA
A.A.A. 1933

"Dealt effectively with overproduction."


I think an individual farmer would be better at dealing with any over or under production he may have as opposed to a bureaucracy. Furthermore, they paid farmers to destroy their "over produced" product? Hey, here's an idea. Instead of destroying something of value like that in an economic mess, maybe allow the farmer to decide to give some away as charity or not! What a novel ****ing idea!

You're on the right track here, but you fail to mention that that subsidization was at the cost of tax payers.
The general problem with farmers trying to fix it themselves was that they could not be sure that all other farmers were going to co-operate and would therefore risk losing even more money

I mention it briefly here - "6 million piglets were killed whilst many people were starving."
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08-07-2012 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Newbster
Abe Lincoln was the best and its not even close... just ask Bill O Reilly
It really annoys me how the conservative party in this country gets to call itself the party of lincoln. Can we take the tongue from being implanted in the cheek when we let this slide!
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08-07-2012 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by WunderlustKing
Lincoln FTW!!! mutthafuka killed vampires and ****
you saw too many movies dude lol
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08-18-2012 , 09:57 PM
Clinton, balanced the budget, that's all I need.
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08-19-2012 , 10:03 AM
Alexander Hamilton
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09-11-2012 , 07:59 AM
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Clinton, balanced the budget, that's all I need.
Just budget isn't a big factor for a state.I think the leader who lead the country and what he done for the country should be deserve for being memorable and i think Abraham lincon deserve this respect cause he was the real hero of US.
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09-11-2012 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Navas596
Just budget isn't a big factor for a state.I think the leader who lead the country and what he done for the country should be deserve for being memorable and i think Abraham lincon deserve this respect cause he was the real hero of US.
Clinton was pretty much of a luckbox. He took over just when the economy was starting to turn. Then the internet bubble took off full speed giving a huge revenue boon to the governement and a congress that forced him to balance things at a time when they could. Of course it all blew up at the end of his term And some of his decisions lead to future problems (Glass/Steagal, expanding Freddie and Fannie etc.).

But aside that Clinton was very good economically and paid attention to issues of growth. But he fell into one of the sweetest sweet spots any president ever did.
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09-13-2012 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BoredSocial
Alexander Hamilton
not sure if srs.
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09-23-2012 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbaseball
Clinton was pretty much of a luckbox. He took over just when the economy was starting to turn. Then the internet bubble took off full speed giving a huge revenue boon to the governement and a congress that forced him to balance things at a time when they could. Of course it all blew up at the end of his term And some of his decisions lead to future problems (Glass/Steagal, expanding Freddie and Fannie etc.).

But aside that Clinton was very good economically and paid attention to issues of growth. But he fell into one of the sweetest sweet spots any president ever did.
I have no idea about that.
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09-25-2012 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Turn Prophet
Not so. In 1941, the US had one of the largest navies in the world (roughly comparable to the British Navy), and had been anticipating the Pacific conflict since the early 20th century. Roosevelt actually deployed the fleet to Pearl Harbor from San Diego to show the Japanese that the US were serious about halting the Japanese advance, having cut off supplies to them after the invasion of Indochina. However, the aircraft carriers were not housed in the docks there during the December attack, in part because they would have been too vulnerable to attack. One of the only reasons that the US was able to turn the tide of the Pacific War so early (Midway) is that they had anticipated both the scope and nature of the conflict--now, this wasn't all FDR's doing, but he definitely accepted the reality that war was an inevitability in 1939-1940.

I think people dwell far too much on the European theater when they talk about US readiness for WWII. True, they didn't have a bunch of tanks just lying around (why would they?), but the US was well aware that there would be a struggle with Japan sooner or later, essentially since the Russian defeat in the 1905 war.
Please don't underscore the importance of the silent service in the pacific theater.
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