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Old 03-22-2019, 10:32 PM   #1
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greater empire, Roman or Greek?

out of the two which would you define the greater empire?

greater in your words, maybe who achieved more? who in their prime coudl dominate the other, etc
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Old 03-22-2019, 10:44 PM   #2
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Re: greater empire, Roman or Greek?

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out of the two which would you define the greater empire?



greater in your words, maybe who achieved more? who in their prime coudl dominate the other, etc


Roman. Longer in time, larger in territory, more stable government in the longer term.
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Old 03-22-2019, 11:26 PM   #3
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Re: greater empire, Roman or Greek?

thats what I thought.

seems like an obv answer then.
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Old 03-22-2019, 11:31 PM   #4
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Re: greater empire, Roman or Greek?

howard anything you think roman empire could have done majorly differently in order to stay kicking for another 300-500 years?
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:08 AM   #5
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Re: greater empire, Roman or Greek?

Made basic technical inventions like electricity or steam/mechanized transport. They put little stock and effort into technical advancement. Electricity is a huge leap forward. Im frankly not sure what theyd have to invent as a precursor to either one but they did not develop technically particularly fast.
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Old 03-23-2019, 01:34 AM   #6
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Made basic technical inventions like electricity or steam/mechanized transport. They put little stock and effort into technical advancement. Electricity is a huge leap forward. Im frankly not sure what theyd have to invent as a precursor to either one but they did not develop technically particularly fast.
but the technology gap was huge right after for a huge chunk. i don think techonology was a problem at all for them, especially being ahead of the curb in a lot of day to day things at that point and time in terms of organization
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Old 03-24-2019, 11:46 PM   #7
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Re: greater empire, Roman or Greek?

I don't think technology was an issue for them. I'm not an expert here but my understanding was that they just became too corrupt. Not sure there is anything they could have done.
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Old 03-25-2019, 02:14 PM   #8
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Re: greater empire, Roman or Greek?

Pretty easy to argue for Rome here. That said, you could also point out the fact that Greek was the culture that the Romans looked to for inspiration, but I will still have to argue for Rome.

As for the cause of the fall of the Roman Empire, lets first decide how we define 'the fall': was it in 476 or 1453?
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Old 03-26-2019, 03:12 AM   #9
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Pretty easy to argue for Rome here. That said, you could also point out the fact that Greek was the culture that the Romans looked to for inspiration, but I will still have to argue for Rome.

As for the cause of the fall of the Roman Empire, lets first decide how we define 'the fall': was it in 476 or 1453?
476 was PEAK PRIME european rome imo
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Old 03-26-2019, 05:15 PM   #10
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Re: greater empire, Roman or Greek?

The first date mentioned is the fall of the western roman empire, the other date is the fall of the eastern roman empire (byzantine).
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Old 04-02-2019, 12:20 PM   #11
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Re: greater empire, Roman or Greek?

Also, define empire.

For the majority of history, the Greeks were a mere collection of city-states with loosely common interests. These were unified to some extent as a reaction to the Persian Empire (some under direct rule, some under influence).

I suppose you mean the Hellenistic period to be the "Greek Empire". Alexander is dead, and the Greeks spend most of this time battling each other for power. This is about 150 years, and the Greeks make considerable cultural advances during this time.

I suppose the fact that the Romans defeated the Greeks decisively in the 140s BCE demonstrates that Rome is the superior military actor.

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What could Rome have done to preserve their Empire for longer time?

Welp, when your Empire is dependent on a single Emperor, you're eventually going to end up with bad emperors who squander the empire. Strengthening the Senate, and ruthlessly pursuing justice would have been a good start.

Having a strong representative style of government recreate itself under the attention of an emperor is no trivial undertaking, tho, so its unlikely that the system could rebuild without complete destruction first.

I'm unaware of a "King John and the Magna Carta" possibility in Rome, for example.

Eventually, Rome would have had to become a naval superpower too, but this probably could have waited until the 13th century.

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Fall of Rome is 1400s, BTW... Probably should do some study on Byzantium.
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Old 04-08-2019, 06:34 PM   #12
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Fall of Rome is 1400s, BTW... Probably should do some study on Byzantium.
I raised this issue specifically because I studied Byzantine history. So often Rome is associated exclusively with the western empire.
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