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03-30-2011 , 09:24 PM
Donald Trumps crazy rantings recently reminded me of something interesting I found out while doing random wiki link clicking (a past time of mine).

President Arthur had a 'birther' issue as well. There were two claims concerning his birth. One that he was born in Ireland, which has little merit. Though he did have dual citizenship in Ireland and United States. The other, that he was born in Canada. His dad at the time was not a citizen, and people at the time tried to claim him as not eligible for the Presidency.

Another little quirk about him is that he changed his birth year from 1929 to 1930.

What do you think of the merit of the argument that Arthur was not eligible for the presidency?
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03-30-2011 , 09:27 PM
1829*?
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03-30-2011 , 09:31 PM
Yea, 1829 to 1830
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03-31-2011 , 02:53 PM
I think the rule is antiquated and in modern times, stupid.
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03-31-2011 , 03:33 PM
Me from a prior thread on Obama:

"All of that said, on the legal question, Art. II of the Consititution refers to a "natural-born" citizen being elegible for the presidency. The Fourteenth Amendment does not use "natural-born" -- it just says folks born here are "citizens" and refers to the fact that you can get citizenship by birth or by naturalization. It's not like I'm a scholar in this area of the law, but it seems more reasonable to interpret the founders' "natural-born" as meaning "a citizen all of your life" rather than "a citizen all of your life because you were born in the U.S. proper." The founders may have wanted someone who himself did not carpet-bag his way to the U.S.; hard to believe that they were concerned about someone whose parents carpet-bagged to the U.S., since that was virtually everyone back in 1780. I have never heard a cogent argument that suggests either that the founders meant to distinguish between "a citizen all of your life" and "a citizen all of your life because you were born in the U.S. proper." Or that, regardless of founders' intent, such a distinction would make any sense.
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03-31-2011 , 08:06 PM
I would say, from a purely historical prespective, as the founding fathers were more or less 3rd gen. Americans (or so i gather) and they included some 1st gen. then they didn't really care as long as you agreed with their greater objectives?
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