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03-17-2011 , 10:54 AM
Find it very interesting, just wondering if anyone can suggest some good books.
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03-17-2011 , 11:28 AM
Yeah, the Iron Lady showing who´s who. There is something thrilling about the Falklands Conflict, maybe I should read some about it. It´s something about that the former Great Empire still could act. And how come Argentina thought they could get away with it. It was a smallish but principal conflic. No really big slaughter, but of course every casualty is one to many.
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03-17-2011 , 08:12 PM
This is a nice documentary in case you haven't seen it. Part of Peter and Dan Snow's 20th Century Battlefields series.

As for books I think the definitive version is supposed to be Max Hastings' The Battle for the Falklands although I haven't read it. He was the first journalist to enter Stanley and later became editor of The Telegraph.
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03-28-2011 , 04:27 PM
Ah yes.

Brits vs Argies.

Early anti-ship missiles, and they worked, for both sides.
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03-28-2011 , 07:09 PM
Britain won never a good thing the war criminal Margret Thatcher should be hung high too much blood on her hands it will be a great day in history when she dies! On another note the paras did a fine job here in Battle of Goose Green http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Goose_Green
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03-28-2011 , 11:35 PM
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Not a bad idea but how about this time we'll have it between two different countries...say Peru and France? Germany and Brazil? Sort of like World Cup.
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03-29-2011 , 12:02 AM
Two bald men fighting over a comb.
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04-02-2011 , 08:24 PM
Present-day updates [kinda sorta]:
>Britain keeps a larger force in the Falklands now [2k+]
>Britain is exploring for oil off the Falklands, pissing off Argentina
>[I saw this on a YouTube clip] Hugo Chavez imploring the Queen of England to give up claim to the Falklands [As if she has much say-so in the matter].

This explains Hugo Chavez's famous tearing into of a British leftist journalist
re:the Queen of England
during one of his weekly televised cabinet grillings
[kinda like the Apprentice...but it ain't the Donald, it's the Hugo, and sometimes you wish you was only gettin' fired]

This will become history someday, likely not big, but who knows:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ce=videosearch
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12-20-2019 , 01:10 AM
At this rate, I don't think Argentina will manage to establish control over the islands, which they called Malvinas.
The control of Great Britain will not last for centuries because of decolonization.
Thus, the best solution may be the independence of the Falkland Islands as an independent country
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02-24-2023 , 08:57 PM
Argentina is in the process and should harbor a more concentrated foreign policy to possibly reclaim the Falkland Islands. It is in their best interest.
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02-28-2023 , 03:33 PM
The OP asked for good books. Martin Middlebrook wrote two, both based on first-hand accounts: Task Force from the British side and The Fight For The 'Malvinas' from the Argentine side.

The second one has since been retitled Argentine Fight For The Falklands.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Argentine-F.../dp/1844158888

The first one, I think, has been retitled The Falklands War.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Falklands-W.../dp/1848846363

The Battle For The Falklands by Max Hastings and Simon Jenkins is good on the diplomatic and political angle as well as the actual fighting (which Hastings witnessed). Weirdly, I've met both authors, on the same evening, at the Reform Club one time.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Battle-Falk...dp_ob_title_bk

The British official history of the war by Lawrence Freedman is in two volumes, both of them rather expensive, eg:-

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Official-Hi.../dp/0415419115

And no, Argentina will not be annexing the Falklands at any time in the foreseeable future. Particularly now that the islands are defended by Typhoon FGR4s and Britain's carrier air power is being restored. And the UN is obliged to recognise self-determination and the islanders do not want to be ruled by Buenos Aires.
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03-01-2023 , 02:45 PM
As an Argentine this is a recurring topic in our lives and I fail to see why: we were under a dictatorship in the year 1982. By that time people were losing confidence in the de facto government and it was quite clear for the military they couldn't retain the control of the country for much longer, so they came up with a solution: arouse a frantic sense of nationalism by taking back the islands, thinking England wouldn't bother to react. We know the end: any claim about the ownership of the islands got dismissed and democracy returned.
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03-15-2023 , 09:33 PM
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As an Argentine this is a recurring topic in our lives and I fail to see why: we were under a dictatorship in the year 1982. By that time people were losing confidence in the de facto government and it was quite clear for the military they couldn't retain the control of the country for much longer, so they came up with a solution: arouse a frantic sense of nationalism by taking back the islands, thinking England wouldn't bother to react. We know the end: any claim about the ownership of the islands got dismissed and democracy returned.
Are there any parties in Argentina which still support the reclamation of the Falkland Islands?
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03-20-2023 , 07:42 AM
Virtually everyone here thinks they should be ours, probably me included. But I couldn't care less and, like the vast majority of Argentines, feel no animosity at all towards the Brits.
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03-31-2023 , 06:56 PM
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Virtually everyone here thinks they should be ours, probably me included. But I couldn't care less and, like the vast majority of Argentines, feel no animosity at all towards the Brits.
I understand that. However, are there are any movements in the political arena compelling a takeover of the Falkland Islands? Are there any political parties interested in making this an issue?
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04-01-2023 , 09:59 AM
Not in the least.
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04-03-2023 , 02:16 PM
The Argentine claim faces the problem that (a) the islands are a quite considerable distance from Argentina -- hence the very limited time that Argentine jets, on marginal fuel, could spend trying to fight our Sea Harriers in 1982 -- and (b) the UN places a high value on 'self-determination' and the British Falkland Islanders are the only permanent human population that the islands have ever had. No Argentine was ever born there, and the presence of men from the precursor United Provinces of the Rio de la Plata, ejected by the US Navy in the 1830s, was transitory and not settled. The issue was only ramped up by the Peron dictatorship as a 'patriotic' rallying point. And the islanders, when asked, overwhelmingly wish to remain British, which is not surprising given the disagreeable behaviour of Argentine troops in 1982 and the ongoing uncertainty of Argentine politics. It will also be remembered that the defeat in 1982 was actually good for Argentina, since it meant the end of the military junta and the 'dirty war' against resisters, when the appearance of a Ford Falcon car carrying men in dark glasses on your street meant the junta's security goons were coming to arrest someone, a process that might well end with that someone being thrown, bound and gagged, out of an aircraft over the Atlantic.

One of the aircraft involved in these flights, I think the only one known to survive, has been found in the US, with its flight logs intact, and is to be returned to Argentina as a memorial to the 'disappeared'.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...return-from-us
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04-05-2023 , 02:25 PM
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The Argentine claim faces the problem that (a) the islands are a quite considerable distance from Argentina -- hence the very limited time that Argentine jets, on marginal fuel, could spend trying to fight our Sea Harriers in 1982 -- and (b) the UN places a high value on 'self-determination' and the British Falkland Islanders are the only permanent human population that the islands have ever had. No Argentine was ever born there, and the presence of men from the precursor United Provinces of the Rio de la Plata, ejected by the US Navy in the 1830s, was transitory and not settled. The issue was only ramped up by the Peron dictatorship as a 'patriotic' rallying point. And the islanders, when asked, overwhelmingly wish to remain British, which is not surprising given the disagreeable behaviour of Argentine troops in 1982 and the ongoing uncertainty of Argentine politics. It will also be remembered that the defeat in 1982 was actually good for Argentina, since it meant the end of the military junta and the 'dirty war' against resisters, when the appearance of a Ford Falcon car carrying men in dark glasses on your street meant the junta's security goons were coming to arrest someone, a process that might well end with that someone being thrown, bound and gagged, out of an aircraft over the Atlantic.

One of the aircraft involved in these flights, I think the only one known to survive, has been found in the US, with its flight logs intact, and is to be returned to Argentina as a memorial to the 'disappeared'.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...return-from-us
How was the defeat in 1982 actually good for Argentina? From my understanding, if Argentina conquered the islands, there would be positive repercussions afterwards with less resisters and a brighter economy and more Argentinian nationalism. What is your perspective on this?
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04-16-2023 , 01:25 PM
Does anyone know any good films or documentaries on the Falkland Islands conflict?
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04-16-2023 , 10:20 PM
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Does anyone know any good films or documentaries on the Falkland Islands conflict?
I don't know which ones are good but there are a bunch on YouTube.
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04-17-2023 , 12:25 PM
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I don't know which ones are good but there are a bunch on YouTube.
Would you recommend any in particular? I'm looking more for the detailing of the war and conflict as in a chronology, not so much the backstories or personal dramas.
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06-05-2023 , 02:05 PM
There's a History Channel documentary with some impressive high-rank interviewees, of which Episode 1 is here.

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04-01-2024 , 04:43 PM
Diver by Tony Groom is a good read from an unusual viewpoint of the war.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Diver-Tony-Groom/dp/1906266069
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07-06-2024 , 04:29 PM
I used to know a guy who was a sniper in the conflict. He never ever told me about it, and I only asked once or twice, because you could tell he didn't want to be reminded of it.
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07-08-2024 , 03:07 PM
An old college friend (now a retired Vice-Admiral and Master of the Household to the Sovereign) served on the Type 21 frigate HMS Active during the war. She escaped bombing at San Carlos and gave gunfire support in the battles of Mount Tumbledown and Port Stanley, among others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Active_(F171)
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