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Originally Posted by NeverThere
Just going to reiterate that this is one of the best threads on 2p2 and will probably be referenced/bumped many times in the future.
I noticed in a few responses you said that you prefer 6max plo to hu plo. From your other responses I gather that it's because you really dislike being out of position in plo.
1.When you're playing hu plo vs a random who is competent but not overly creative, how often are you defending the BB? i.e. not 3bing just flatting.
2.I just assume you're basically never limping the button because I don't think I've ever seen you do it in plo so that being said, do you like the 'never fold to a 3b' line of reasoning? Or do you just not raise really trashy hands vs someone who is 3b a reasonable amount.
3.Since you've said that you don't really look too much in to poker stove/the combinations and such, how light are you calling 4bets 100x deep. Say vs someone who you know is basically only 4betting good aces 100x deep something like AAQ9 at least one suit. Would be cool to hear what your lowest calling type hand would be there (no paired cards, no aces in your hand etc...) or would you be calling 4456ds there?
lastly, and I hope this doesn't sound like I'm attacking you because i think you've stayed pretty far out of the way of the dramas on 2p2 but I'm not sure how you can say that Hastings and crew did not cheat Blom. They had at least 3x the data points on him that he had on Hastings. They knowingly broke the toc of ftp which in a vacuum should have been enough to get the money returned.
There was pretty clear information asymmetry imo and the edge that results from that is enormous. Much like insider trading, or corporate espionage -- when one party at the table has grossly more information on the topic at hand than the other, and when acquired through nefarious tactics, that party is vulnerable to jail time.
Add to that the fact that Hastings goes on 2p2 to cancel all his staking/sharing agreements the night before the match, honestly i think if poker was regulated the way that the stock market/business deals are regulated, there would have been some decent penalties there.
Not to open another 2p2 wound, but it always amazed me how everyone just jumped on dih snap assuming that he was behind some grandiose conspiracy to fake the next best player in the world, but the obvious, blatant cheating that other parties participated in just goes under the rug. It's a case of pretty extreme results oriented (literally, the ones who have made at least a million in the past year get away) thinking.
1. Depends on opening size. I rarely fold to min raises if I have any hope. I also tend to flat a lot more than 3bet, at least based on what I have seen sweating other people play/looking at hands.
2. I don’t limp v often in HUPLO, In general I am happy playing big pots in position with most 4 cards and reasonable stacks. I fold to some 3 bets, but not a ton. I raise almost all of my buttons.
3. I probably call 4 bets less light than most, though I also tend to have a much stronger range when I 3bet, so I probably call a higher % of my 3bets when I get 4bet.
I understand your perspective, but it is such a grey area. If Hastings lost no one would have cared, yet he would have been equally as guilty. I think, in online poker, we should always be prepared to play against people that have access to all of our hands. I mean, there are whole threads and forums dedicated to sweating high stakes games. Am I a cheater if I followed along in the High Stakes sweat thread one day and then played Isildur the next day? It sounds like you would think that I am, and I think that is absurd. How far do we take this? Is it ok for me to sweat my friend playing against someone? There is no 1 person to a hand rule on stars, but if I sweat durrr playing isildur then play him the next day, am I a cheater that should have all of my money taken away and given directly to Isildur? I am interested to hear more opinions, but it seems like a very difficult topic to reach finality on.
I didn’t know much about the whole selling off/staking cancellation stuff, that does seem sketchy.
I also didn’t keep up a ton with the DiH stuff so can’t comment there.