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Old 01-27-2009, 10:10 PM   #101
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Re: warning to high stakes travelers!!

thank you skier,

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“Money” means monetary instruments and includes U.S. or foreign coins currently in circulation, currency, traveler’s checks in any form, money orders, and negotiable instruments or investment securities in bearer form.
I don't know what a flag is if its not a negotiable instrument. I think not declaring these will def carry a > 0% chance of getting f'kd pretty hard.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:15 PM   #102
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god bless america
Sounds like a bad start.
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:43 PM   #103
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such an awful story. gl viffer.
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:55 PM   #104
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I don't understand how they were able to take the rolex though, what was there excuse for taking the rolex?

Is there some limit to what they can take from you, is it just anything of significant value?
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:57 PM   #105
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fa,

pretty sure they can take your ass if they so desire
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:59 PM   #106
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No I'm pretty sure this is policy. Something about it not being able to be used as currency. It's the equiv if carrying a 50k rolex, but in flags.
i wouldn't be confident that they have a universally enforced policy or that even if policy says they don't have to be declared that they can't still just seize them if they're suspicious of something. i'm not comfortable travelling, esp internationally, with lots of flags.
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:00 AM   #107
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I don't understand how they were able to take the rolex though, what was there excuse for taking the rolex?

Is there some limit to what they can take from you, is it just anything of significant value?
i'm pretty sure its just anything. if they want the lint in your pockets its theirs.
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:36 AM   #108
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It seems like I remember some of the paper work when leaving the Bahamas specifically saying that chips were to be counted/declared.

Also, I was lucky. I left the Bahamas Sunday (although had a very early flight) and was through customs in literally like 20 seconds. Guy never spoke a word to me. Not hi, thank you, nothing. I probably had like $10,400 on me.
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:51 AM   #109
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really riverboatking, do you really want to use that overused joke?
who are you the joke police?
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:53 AM   #110
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I rarely carry any money and have been detained and interrogated every single time I came back into the US from abroad for years. I've started giving them plenty of lip back. They don't do ****. *********** pigs. I've never had anything taken, and also never had over 10k on me. I've carried over 10k in the US plenty of times with no issues, I was taken aside once and had it looked at but after 20 minutes and a few questions they let me go.

Anyway, I went through customs in Atlantis, and never had to go through anything again and was never questioned for the first time in years. That was nice.
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:54 AM   #111
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but in most countries it would be too dangerous to carry that 10k and prohibitive to play the poker in the first place. me and viffer and you were lucky to be born in the US as opposed to picking a country blindly from a hat... even if that means once in a while we have $59,000 confiscated from us by the police.
holy ****ing **** are you serious?????????????????

bleet bleet bleet.
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:04 AM   #112
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solid thread
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Old 01-28-2009, 07:25 AM   #113
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first they were 100 percent dea, i wasnt scammed.

2nd this was a bad beat not some thing that happens alot.

anyone that has any type of drug related charges on there record and is carrying alot of cash can have the **** confisigated for forfieture by dea under a new law. i have a few posesion charges from over 8 years ago they are useing. You also have to fit the profile of a drug traficing person, wich i do cause i travel lot between la nyc and vegas.

i got pretty unlucky but i do fit the profile and so what ever im sure ill get my stuff eventually.

wish erica would of held out for more money tho i only had to pay her 2k to go to la she could of gotten 5k from me instead the dea has it

any ways thanks for everyones kind words and support.

i have a lawyer in contact with them and will kinda let peeps know what happen. thanks.
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:36 AM   #114
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wow, that feels great to hear viff. I was scared someone pretented to be DEA and then the police fell for the trick as well, which would have significantly decreased my trust for USA and the police.

What model was the rolex btw? I luv expensive watches!

Hope you get all the stuff back very soon, post a pic on the watch then? =P
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:38 AM   #115
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Checks 100% do not count. You can have $10,000,000 in checks and not declare them. However I am also pretty sure that you do have to declare gold. So there is some gray area there. Would be cool to get a firm answer in this thread, anybody wanna man up and call customs?
Directly taken from the Customs Form: FinCEN Form 105 (Formerly Customs Form 4790) (Rev. July 2003) Department of the Treasury FinCEN

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(1) Each person who physically transports, mails, or ships, or causes to be physically transported, mailed, or shipped currency or other monetary instruments in an aggregate amount exceeding $10,000 at one time from the United States to any place outside the United States or into the United States from any place outside the United States, and
(2) Each person who receives in the United States currency or other monetary instruments In an aggregate amount exceeding $10,000 at one time which have been transported, mailed, or shipped to the person from any place outside the United States.


Monetary Instruments— (1) Coin or currency of the United States or of any other country, (2) traveler’s checks in any form, (3) negotiable instruments (including checks, promissory notes, and money orders) in bearer form, endorsed without restriction, made out to a fictitious payee, or otherwise in such form that title thereto passes upon delivery, (4) incomplete instruments (including checks, promissory notes, and money orders) that are
signed but on which the name of the payee has been omitted, and (5) securities or stock in bearer form or otherwise in such form that title thereto passes upon delivery. Monetary instruments do not include (i) checks or money orders made payable to the order of a named person which have not been endorsed or which bear restrictive endorsements, (ii) warehouse receipts, or (iii) bills of lading.
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:44 AM   #116
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I don't understand how they were able to take the rolex though, what was there excuse for taking the rolex?

Is there some limit to what they can take from you, is it just anything of significant value?
Anything of significant value...I think they didn't believe viffer's story anyway...and they assumed he might be involved in money laundering/drugs of some sort....as such, they confiscate anything of value, including cars, etc. (if he were driving)....and as far as CBP and DEA are concerned, you are guilty (by suspicion only) until proven innocent...
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:50 AM   #117
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Re: warning to high stakes travelers!!

and people, despite the fact that this may or may not be an isolated case, there is a lesson for everyone to learn...and that is if you want to be safe than sorry, be a bit more careful about what you do...especially in this day and age of U.S. government's unlimited power...don't forget...if for ANY reason, they decide to call you an 'enemy combatant' they can take you away and no one will ever find you...yes, that is an extreme case, but the powers that have been given to Department of Homeland Security (CBP, Customs being all parts of it) are almost unlimited...scary stuff...
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:52 PM   #118
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and people, despite the fact that this may or may not be an isolated case, there is a lesson for everyone to learn...and that is if you want to be safe than sorry, be a bit more careful about what you do...especially in this day and age of U.S. government's unlimited power...don't forget...if for ANY reason, they decide to call you an 'enemy combatant' they can take you away and no one will ever find you...yes, that is an extreme case, but the powers that have been given to Department of Homeland Security (CBP, Customs being all parts of it) are almost unlimited...scary stuff...
This happened to a friend of mine. He was coming back from the bahamas with 20k cash, didn't declare. He was also brownskinned/iraqi looking, so that probably didn't help. He is also a huge hot head and when the DEA guys started messing with him and he resisted, he was declared an enemy combatant. He hasn't signed on AIM/answered his phone since.
 
Old 01-28-2009, 01:03 PM   #119
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can someone clarify? If you are travelling within the states do you need to declare cash >10k?
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:10 PM   #120
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can someone clarify? If you are travelling within the states do you need to declare cash >10k?
you dont
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:17 PM   #121
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This happened to a friend of mine. He was coming back from the bahamas with 20k cash, didn't declare. He was also brownskinned/iraqi looking, so that probably didn't help. He is also a huge hot head and when the DEA guys started messing with him and he resisted, he was declared an enemy combatant. He hasn't signed on AIM/answered his phone since.


is this for real? this is one of the scariest things ive heard in a while.
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:31 PM   #122
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re: carrying cash within us

pretty sure there was a thread about this topic before and yellowsub said he flew home from vegas with $300k and the security guard just told him he was a lucky kid and waved him through
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:06 PM   #123
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is this for real? this is one of the scariest things ive heard in a while.
they close guantanamo soon
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:08 PM   #124
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can someone clarify? If you are travelling within the states do you need to declare cash >10k?
No...you do NOT need to declare for dometsic flights...however, if they do find it on you, whether it is through search or whether it is by accident (like viffer), then you have to answer them (DEA, etc.)...and if they are not happy with your answer or they are suspicious, then they have every legal right to confiscate any and all of your valuable assets on you (watches, etc.) and then you will have to apply to get them back....so, travel with as much cas as you want DOMESTICALLY, but you're doing it at your own risk.... don't forget...the rules have changed and DHS and all government agencies have god-like powers...

if you are that much of a baller like viffer, you should always utilize several bank accounts, safety deposit boxes at banks and deposit boxes at casinos...
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:10 PM   #125
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they close guantanamo soon
has nothing to do with Guantanamo...they can declare you an enemy combatant and take you to any army prison facility...but that is not relevant to this thread....
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