nh lol

There's too many dynamics to this hand that make this look like a bluff opportunity for villian that I can't see folding.

-button raise and both blinds call(wide range for basically everyone)

-Jc leads. Narrows his range thoroughly.

-you smoothcall Jc's bet looks possibly weak. Definitely underrepped.

-he squeezes the nit with a semi-bluff/pure bluff.

Sure you can run into a set but how can you simply muck here? His range looks much larger than some of you give him credit for.

Call flop.

He bets turn:
-spade fold
-diamond shove/call depending on betsize and feel
-5 pairs fold unless 5d.
-most other blanks call

He checks turn

-spade check behind
-diamond I'd personally bet and possibly shove but I don't hate a check here for pot control if you're really putting him closer to a set than a bluff or semi bluff.
-5 checky checky
-blank check and induce a river bluff.

My .02$

for the record... i enjoy bluffing jc

Fees, what hands are in your flop-raising range on this board against JC?

Given the way the hand has played out I think it's a pretty easy fold.

However, I don't understand why you flat-called JC's raise. If you just pot it after his raise this hand becomes much easier to play...once you flat call you put yourself in the unenviable position of being basically committed against a nit and non-committed against an aggressive player still to act on the flop.

If JC's range is REALLY overpairs and sets when he leads as some have suggested then this is an easy fold to his initial bet. If, as is more likely, he has a much wider range then IMO it's an easy raise. Given the dynamics of the players given here it is nearly impossible for Krantz to squeeze if you raise and JC will likely give up on a lot of hands.

I feel like you forfeited your positional advantage by flatting the flop.

and I lol'd at this.

villain has AQ also amirite?

Pre-flop, Krantz only has $150 invested, easy to kiss off

Post-flop, jc bet looks weak, hero call weak/trappy

Still, Krantz can't expect to push two players off the hand by offering them decent odds to call, unless he expects them to view it as a trap.

Rather than lose $150, Krantz put out a bet that might induce two folds one time in four. Therefore, he likely has something, but the range is expanded because all he had to do pre-flop was call a button raise, so a semi-bluff with one pair and a flush draw has to be considered. If he had the chance to semi-bluff here after two "weak" bets, would he take it? What are his chances of being re-raised and having to fold?

A call here sux because he owns you the rest of the way. Your best out is an A, and you still might be behind, and you give him a chance to see 4th for free if he is on semi.

All-in here is the only alternative to folding that gets him thinking you could have a set of Q's to offset his set or 2-pr holdings a little, and is +EV against his other holdings. He already posted that he's not folding a set, if u take that literally. 2 pr he would have to think about folding for sure. Bottom line, all-in here is basically a bluff.

Rule of thumb is don't bring a knife to a gunfight. Toptop is a weak hand past the flop, so that's the place to raise it up. You have to show it down sometimes at a loose table, but most times you seem to come out a loser unless you improve.

A++

Though I would just fold. In respect and awe of the semi-bluff. Especially with the stack sizes between hero and villain are as deep as they are. I can find a better spot. Which makes the semi-bluff such a good play. Then again, I play more live than online.

Flat calling pretty much tells villain that you don't have a set. Are you ready to make a hero call here?

thats definitely not "A++" there are lots of gaps in logic/errors there.

krantz u ******ad!!!! why u hit n run against me yesterday?

i am a 2/4 fish, but w/e!!!!!! idiot!!!! plz play me 2/4 hu again 4tabling.

definate +ev move challenging krantz to 2/4 hu

obv -ev, but ego > $.

This is a pretty tough spot and I don't think there are any clear answers. It feels exploitable to fold what amounts to basically the top of our range, but I don't think that Krantz really ever checkraises a worse Q here with these stack sizes, so I think AQ is pretty much the same as QJ/QT, aside from us having a little more equity against some semibluffs. Getting it in every time we have top pair or better against a Krantz checkraise in this situation 200bbs deep also is pretty exploitable I think, although not as much.

I think calling and getting it in on a blank turn would be my play here, but I don't love it and really don't mind folding either.

I can't fold this. But then again im a CRAZY SWEDE!!!! (not particulary good one either.)

You have to call flop with back door outs and TPTK since you're under-repped. There are ~16 cards that can boost your equity on turn. Also a big part of his range is A/K-hi flushdraws and combos. If he has a set, he probably won't open shove turn, esp this this deep. So you can check call/CRAI depending on what you peel. If you make it to river without getting it all in, decisions are pretty easy.

i don't know if there are any good turn cards for us to check-raise a bet with

why do i think Krantz is smoking a fatty just smiling right now !

3s-4s

Once jc fold to krantz c/r, OP should know that Krantz's read on jc weak hand was good and therefore call, because OP knows that they both know that jc is tight and wouldn't lead with less than AQ+ but that Krantz understood that 1-because of his image jc was leading weak to steal the pot 2-therefore it became EV+ to use jc's tight image to fold jc 2nd pair and OP best hand imo

ummm y didnt u just pop jc's bet?

jcmoussa is tight enough AQ is practically the absolute bottom of my calling range on hte flop. I'd be really iffy about calling with 222 even. So... I really don't think krantz expected folds from both and I really don't think we should call here.

bluffing krantz here is bloody lawl. The day he folds a set I'd be checking the Revelation for guidance.

AKss, A3ss, A4ss and 34ss, with some random spastastic spews thrown in, are the only things I can see krantz bluffing with here

for the record, i had KK in the hand. im not really a fan of the raise on the button with AQ, especially offsuit. after i call the raise preflop, and lead into 2 people, my range is basically AA22ds. Also krantz call with 22 oop is pretty terrible imo. the button could have the following hands that totally crush him:
33
44
55
66
77
88
99
1010
JJ
QQ
KK
etc.

i like how u type out 22-KK and then "etc"

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

12,585,434,400 games 0.015 secs 839,028,960,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.334% 49.39% 00.95% 6215338932 119416020.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 49.666% 48.72% 00.95% 6131263428 119416020.00 { random }


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imo.

is jcmoussa leveling us here?