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toptop vs krantz, deep toptop vs krantz, deep

05-04-2008 , 05:18 PM
Ive been pretty solid, havent messed around with him that much, hes been all over the place, typical fancy krantz syndrome but pretty standard. He c/r'd my delayed cbet on like Q74ss 9, multiway. I squeezed him once, skier overcalled and I c/f Axx flop. Only history I think? Im playing more TAGgy that normal and like I said pretty inline. Jcmoussa is a nit if you didnt already know, but never seen him lead before. Am I suppose to call/eval or wtf cuz I was clueless while it happened.

Full Tilt Poker $25/$50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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odub303 (CO): $5519.00
Hero (BTN): $9396.50
pr1nnyraid (SB): $11632.75
jcmoussasux (BB): $5422.00
BeepBeepImaJeep (UTG): $6927.00
QB_RonMexico (MP): $3747.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q A
3 folds, Hero raises to $150, pr1nnyraid calls $125, jcmoussasux calls $100

Flop: ($450.00) 2 5 Q (3 players)
pr1nnyraid checks, jcmoussasux bets $400, Hero calls $400, pr1nnyraid raises to $2050, jcmoussasux folds, hero
05-04-2008 , 05:39 PM
id probably fold
05-04-2008 , 06:05 PM
definitely dont mind a fold given jc's image.
05-04-2008 , 06:07 PM
lol fold? does everyone here just post for their image? if u are folding here vs krantz take a step down. u just gonna put him on a set everytime he makes what looks like a strong raise?
05-04-2008 , 06:17 PM
rough hand, i think its hard bc he prolly has a pretty good idea where you are at

from what you mentioned in your paragraph it doesnt sound like he as any reason to be wilder than normal, esp given jc's lead

i however still dont think you can fold (backdoor diamonds too), bc i dont know too much about his range im not sure how to proceed on turn but id prolly peel the scary ones and fold on blanks unless you have a good reason to think he continues often enough, which i doubt he try and make you fold AQ KK AA
05-04-2008 , 06:22 PM
W/o knowing much about how you two play I`d fold. Hero can have a set here, right?!
05-04-2008 , 07:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nycballer
lol fold? does everyone here just post for their image? if u are folding here vs krantz take a step down. u just gonna put him on a set everytime he makes what looks like a strong raise?
Are you just gonna stack off for 200BB's every time you flop TPTK just cuz the villain can make plays? What if turn finishes the flush?


This is what Cornell was talking about. At least explain your thinking, unless it goes no further than " I have TPTK, villain is capable of bluffing" No, you don't just put the guy on a set, you put him on a range of hands. 200BB's deep, are you really just automatically stack off when he raises 2 opponents?

I would say a raise is pretty -EV, a call is going to likely lead to some very hard decisions for you, which is you to you if you want to make, and a fold doesn't cost you a hell of a lot.


We all know you you're there for, so why don't you just fold move on to play pots with him?
05-04-2008 , 07:30 PM
k so im a nit, i lead, you call, and he raises.............. use your head now...cmon.........
05-04-2008 , 07:44 PM
just fold. jcmoussa sux but he also nailed this hand in his post.
05-04-2008 , 07:49 PM
I'd hate getting 22 in here to be honest
05-04-2008 , 08:18 PM
fold

Last edited by Cornell Fiji; 05-06-2008 at 09:32 AM. Reason: nevermind. Mod misclick
05-04-2008 , 08:50 PM
damn you guys are nitty. we even have a backdoor straight and backdoor flush draw. i feel like folding is a massive spew.
05-04-2008 , 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcmoussa
k so im a nit, i lead, you call, and he raises.............. use your head now...cmon.........
yeah.. i brought it up because ive seen him do so much crazy **** so I guess its alot closer to a fold than i thought?

edit: oh hey i missed that a samh post got edited, what the hell! its sam ****ing H!
05-04-2008 , 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcmoussa
k so im a nit, i lead, you call, and he raises.............. use your head now...cmon.........
I wrote out a long post but erased it because I realize look you can really describe any hand in a way that makes it look like a bluff is likely from the villain. Basically, krantz could easily do this with any 2 if he thinks the 2nd guy's call is weak, ur hand is way too strong on this board, krantz can never have two pair. I just cannot comprehend folding on the flop, why do u even play AQ then if u don't like this spot vs someone who makes huge bluffs? Of all people krantz is the #1 guy u'd want to continue with this against
05-04-2008 , 09:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nycballer
I wrote out a long post but erased it because I realize look you can really describe any hand in a way that makes it look like a bluff is likely from the villain. Basically, krantz could easily do this with any 2 if he thinks the 2nd guy's call is weak, ur hand is way too strong on this board, krantz can never have two pair. I just cannot comprehend folding on the flop, why do u even play AQ then if u don't like this spot vs someone who makes huge bluffs? Of all people krantz is the #1 guy u'd want to continue with this against

With the nit leading he cant expect 2 folds, can he. Sets are in both players´ ranges after the flop action. Can he be bluffing? Sure. Doesnt seem like a good spot though and he`ll get us in a mess a lot on subsequent streets.
05-04-2008 , 09:10 PM
i feel like you should fold but i feel like i probably wouldnt
05-04-2008 , 09:16 PM
as i'm always telling krantz when i'm sweating him, he's a giant vagina. easy fold.
05-04-2008 , 09:21 PM
all i'm going to say here is that i do not believe jc had anything other than 22 and i can't believe he folded it
05-04-2008 , 09:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRANTZ
all i'm going to say here is that i do not believe jc had anything other than 22 and i can't believe he folded it
LOL, whoops
05-04-2008 , 09:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRANTZ
all i'm going to say here is that i do not believe jc had anything other than 22 and i can't believe he folded it
i had KK and was betting to see where i was at. cant believe how bad some of you play
05-04-2008 , 10:18 PM
how the **** did u fold kings with 100BB...
05-04-2008 , 10:21 PM
wow I really can never tell who's kidding in HSNL anymore
nycballer is the only person making sense
what is going on?

jc is tight preflop, he's not a ******ed setminer. people are acting like he would never bet QJ or air in this spot and thats totally absurd. folding here is basically saying that at least one of jc and krantz plays terribly.

Last edited by ike; 05-04-2008 at 10:28 PM. Reason: fine, in the spirit of new modding i'll say something useful
05-04-2008 , 10:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aejones
i feel like you should fold but i feel like i probably wouldnt
this...
05-04-2008 , 10:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ike
wow I really can never tell who's kidding in HSNL anymore
nycballer is the only person making sense
what is going on?

jc is tight preflop, he's not a ******ed setminer. people are acting like he would never bet QJ or air in this spot and thats totally absurd. folding here is basically saying that at least one of jc and krantz plays terribly.
No, it's saying that at least one of them think that OP plays terribly...
05-04-2008 , 10:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fees
how the **** did u fold kings with 100BB...
YEAH JCMOUSSA, HOW?? HRMMM??

      
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