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Originally Posted by creedofhubris
I posted the data in the original thread last year about kinetica and 40putts colluding. I gathered my data from two sources: tableratings and my own db (I used to be a regular in the CAP rooms). For this post I’ll just stick to the data I got from tableratings.
I tried to use tableratings to look at the new username, bulltf0rdtuff, but there’s not a lot to work with since stox has got few hands under this nick and he stopped playing a few weeks ago. This means I couldn’t compare session times, which had been a blatant tipoff before.
However, I can compare how often they get to showdown against each other, just using tableratings, so you all can play with the data if you want. I took the guys I recognize as being HS/CAP regs who bulltf0rdtuff had a bunch of hands against, and compared how often they get to flops and showdowns together:
bulltf0rdtuff
vs kinetica: 645 hands, 13 showdowns, 51 flops.___________________________________________2.0% showdown, 7.9% flop
vs the field (scubba, joao barbosa, ghostrideit, d_perignon): 1346 hands, 68 showdowns, 214 flops. 5.1% showdown, 15.9% flop
Suggestive. Now here’s 40putts:
vs kinetica: 9673 hands, 158 showdowns, 659 flops:_________________________________________1.6% showdown, 6.8% flop
vs the field (mbolt1, cometobutthead, willb77,clockwyze): 10337 hands, 1769 flops, 634 showdowns. 6.1% showdown, 17.1% flop
vs nit (leatherass9): 2096 hands, 71 showdowns, 257 flops: ___________________________________3.4% showdown, 12.2% flop
Leatherass plays very tight, and 40putts saw about twice as many flops and showdowns vs him than vs kinetica. That suggests both that it’s not just a matter of your standard shortstacker exploitation of looser foes, and that leatherass was not in on whatever deal they had going.
The session times that I compared in my last post were the most blatant tipoff that, if nothing else, 40putts and kinetica were consciously logging hours together. Let me walk you through this: this was all of the sessions that 40Putts played over a 2-week period. That was all the data Tableratings had available when I made the post.
To help you see the trend, I’ve bolded the times when they were both in action. Look how closely those sessions overlap! It’s very unlikely that two grinders who are not playing together would consistently have session times that match like this. And these guys were shortstacking 5-10 and playing CAP 5-10, both of which run all day at FTP, so it’s not a matter of games breaking or starting up at key times.
In these sessions, 40putts played about 32 hours, over 14 sessions, over 8 days. For about 25 of those hours, 80% of the time, he overlapped with kinetica.
3/09
Date__40Putts_______Kinetica
1____2:55-5:38_____3:38-5:26
2 ___10:29-1:22_____9:58-1:21
_____5:28-8:53_____5:10-9:00
_____10:06-11:45
3____11:47-12:42
_____2:20-5:20____2:39-5:07
_____8:57-10:55____9:15-11:02
5____11:05-1:07
6____10:39-12:06
8____11:54 -1:25____11:04-1:28
______5:07 -9:23_____5:07-10:17
_____11:32-2:03____11:11-1:53
13____10:33-11:38
14_____5:04-8:18____4:18-8:18
I complained to Tilt about these guys when I discovered this last March, and I know other people did too. Why they didn’t take strong action I have no idea. I certainly considered 40putts and kinetica to be in collusion and I stopped sitting at games where they were both playing, and I wasn't the only one. I am unhappy but unsurprised to see that they're apparently still up to their old tricks.
hmmm, the other mentioned accounts look surprisingly similar?!
all data was taken from tableratings
gr3atvlewbr0
vs
LittleZen: 593 hands, 8 showdowns, 27 flops.__________________________________
1.3% showdown, 4.6% flop
vs
the field (matate, Kapiti, 0Human0, myzikant): 1280 hands, 92 showdowns, 143 flops.
7.2% showdown, 11.2% flop
vs
nit (leatherass9): 270 hands, 21 showdowns, 11 flops: __________________________
7.8% showdown, 4.1% flop
Suggestive. Now here’s
knockstiff:
vs
LittleZen: 4829 hands, 82 showdowns, 315 flops:_________________________________
1.7% showdown, 6.5% flop
vs
the field (ADZ124, takechip, Himan33, ~diQ~): 7125 hands, 1056 flops, 424 showdowns.
6.0% showdown, 14.8% flop
vs
nit (leatherass9): 877 hands, 39 showdowns, 123 flops: ___________________________
4.4% showdown, 14.0% flop