I was just watching the $50/100 6 max game on stars and its a joke what its become. Not the fact that there was 1 fish and 5 sharks, then the fish left and then the table immediately broke, i know thats standard... but this is what got me saying"wtf... how is this ok?"

I wont say any names cuz i dont know if im allowed too but, 1 guy said to another person at the table"hey, go on skype lets chat" I'm thinking... here these guys are playing for 25k 30k pots and this guy wants to"talk with him"
I mean, idc who you are idc if you are the pope or the priest...if you are talking with a guy on skype during gameplay, you are 100% not playing pots vs each other, and you probably have a % swap. Also, you and that player are 100% sharing holecards, and if you dont believe if you are naive.

I'd love for stars to go over their session today because they got in some 3 handed pots with them and the fish today and were timebanking at it pretty hard.

I also found it strange that none of the 3 other players(not counting the fish cuz he dont know better) but none of the good players said a word.. like why wouldnt they be concerned? WHy would they wanna play in a game where they know 2 people are talking to each other the whole time? I wouldnt. Its probably because truth is they are all just splitting the fishes money but thats just speculation, but something just is not right and is shady with the rules of highstakes and ettiqutte.

Ive been on skype with people and lost 50k+ pots to them at the same time. Not everyone in the poker world is out for every extra dime they can get their hands on; some people shockingly just enjoy the company/conversation of people they work/interact with on a daily basis.

That said, I assume the guys that are constantly bumhunting the soft NL games probably are the type of people out to squeeze blood out of every rock, so what do I know.

gordo- would you play 3 handed PLO with 2 brothers who are both great players?you really think none of the"hey i folded the As here so your K high FD is the nutdraw now" you really think none of that is going on in these games? In your situation where you lost 50k, i find that pretty rare situation.

He asked him to go online AFTER the match? Whats wrong with that?

Its pathetic that people don't see the folly in this.

Another reason for recreational players to not wanna play. Just imagine how it looks to them, regardless of if you are cheating or not that is not the issue. Put yourself in the weaker players shoes, they look for reasons why these lose... bad luck, online is rigged, oh everyone at the table knows everyone and they all skpye together ect.

Obv as a reg after years of playing with the same pool of players at higher stakes, u make friends with other regs which is fine. But why advertise it to everyone... why do all the old gangster movies, the guys have sick game aka the art of the hustle. Just step back and see the big picture guys, its bad business.

if they chatted about going on skype together they are stupid and/or ignorant. doesnt mean they cheat though

yawn super standard. high stakes regs arent colluding. prob bad idea to say at table cause fish might get worried.

meh high stakes regs have colluded at high stakes before, but 99.9% of the time they aren't. Maybe softplaying a bit, subtly, but there's really nothing that can be done about that, kinda the nature of a table with 5 bumhunters and 1 fish

OP,

For someone so unconcerned about his own ethics, you sure do start a lot of threads about the ethics of others.

you're 100% number shows you have no clue what you're beaking about

+1

**** that the reason meny euro high stakes players hate these scum becuse they run in crews ect ect... Its the American way.....Thats why we stay in the EU in regards to poker sites...

yeah clearly, because they play on stars and all

dont go off spouting bull**** like this if you dont know what you're talking about. tons of regs around here could come in and say exactly this->
100% qft

+1

The fact that they said this in chat pretty clearly shows they were doing nothing wrong. They aren't gonna say that if they were planning on cheating.

I've also been on skype/aim with people while playing big pots with them/playing in the same games as them. Never once have I shared hole cards or anything else improper nor has the topic ever even been mentioned by anybody.

I've been in the same room as people playing mtt's and many times people have wound up at the same table, including myself - never once has anybody even suggested cheating of any kind nor have people avoided confrontations with those in the room.

Cliffs: OP is paranoid

So all of you doubters would be fine if two players were playing at the same table at a brick and mortar and were texting back and forth on their iphone at the same time..

thats bull****.. large % of the time they are saying something that does change the EV of the game

Interesting. So based on what most are saying in here, we are to trust that the ethics of people we don't know are good enough that in a situation where they might have valuable information to share with a person they know well and maybe consider a friend they would under no circumstances do so, ever, even when they could be sure that there would be no downside to it but an actual material gain, which could be shared. Quite preposterous to voice concern here if you ask me!

There is also a difference between PLO and NL, but since every high stakes reg would not cheat ever that obviously doesn't matter.

Edit: wait.. was it PLO or NL?

people hating on OP for his "100%" comment but nutsinho can just off the cuff say that "high stakes regs aren't colluding" lol really? Every high stakes reg ever? There isn't a person in the world that knows that information

but I do agree that most are probably not, and ya, if you dont want people to think that you are colluding don't say in all chat "go on skype"

good point, i was too focused on showing OP he was wrong about his 100% claim i didn't think about the fact that there certainly has been cheating

Sure, it's possible, but what are you going to do?

okay alex cuz i called you out personally and posted a pic

just pointing out two absolute positions in this thread, both are clearly wrong

LOL. funny cuz its indefensible

i would think after the hq/jm/jose stuff its even more likely people do shady stuff because they realize theres no real punishment other than some virtual scathe

but ofc also that drama has made nvgtards more likely to throw around accusations so they can get some virtual acclaim if they bink some dirt

hey dave, sorry you misinterpreted my post, i wasn't being sarcastic. the pic was about me responding to the OP, your first post was 100% right

I chat with various of my opponents when I play. I'd never discuss what I have during game play.

you can't stop people using normal services just because they play poker


the bum hunting is a totally different subject and it's difficult to judge

[ ] Chatting on Skype with people you play against is innately wrong.

[x] Announcing at the table, while there is a non-reg fish present, that you are going to be on skype is fkn ******ed.

Defending the right to chat on skype while playing is one thing... but suggesting that announcing it in chat is anything other than stupid is lolbad.