in retrospect i think raising the flop is better, but what do we think of pf, and river?

***** Hand History for Game 19060150439 ***** (Full Tilt)
$8000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, March 07, 08:34:24 ET 2010
Table HyperAggrDonk (6 max deep) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 2: jungleman12 ( $20320.00 USD )
Seat 4: Bullitoss ( $9061.00 USD )
Seat 5: KevboyStar ( $13631.05 USD )
Seat 6: Spirit Rock ( $17666.00 USD )
jungleman12 posts small blind [$40.00 USD].
Bullitoss posts big blind [$80.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jungleman12 [ Ad 3d ]
KevboyStar folds
Spirit Rock raises [$240.00 USD]
jungleman12 calls [$200.00 USD]
Bullitoss raises [$920.00 USD]
Spirit Rock calls [$760.00 USD]
jungleman12 calls [$760.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, Ks, 3h ]
jungleman12 checks
Bullitoss bets [$1340.00 USD]
Spirit Rock calls [$1340.00 USD]
jungleman12 calls [$1340.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
jungleman12 checks
Bullitoss checks
Spirit Rock checks
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
jungleman12 checks
Bullitoss checks
Spirit Rock bets [$15326.00 USD]

i forgot to mention: bullitos has seemed to squeeze somewhat often (not confirmed), and SR is relatively tight on the button albeit spazzy postflop (possibly meaning that bullitos will be less likely to squeeze)

Preflop seems ok to me.

I think prahlad is the type to go to thin with these overbets sometimes so while it doesnt seem like he has any bluffs in his range i think he can have 34 35s often enough. Its pretty difficult to put him on a hand and being beaten by only JJ / TT and having a hugely underrepped hand I think you need to call this one.

I'd call becuz of what grindplz said but given the assumption that prahlad isnt just doing something ridiculous and has some sort of decent reasoning behind this play, it seems much more plausible to think that both of you will never call this bet rather than one of you probably will.

pretty easy fold i think

ive seen sr do some things that made my head spin, i think he can have worse 3's and KJ here so i'd call.

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do u ever click the call button?

would he 4 bet TT/JJ?
no combos of K3/J3ss exist
AQ prob out of the question...

ya rly

you're probably never good :/

can somebody explain preflop to me please?

well i wouldn't raise.....

Full Tilt Poker $8000.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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Hero (SB): $20320.00
BB: $9061.00
CO: $13631.05
BTN: $17666.00

Pre Flop: ($120.00) Hero is SB with A 3
1 fold, BTN raises to $240, Hero calls $200, BB raises to $1000, BTN calls $760, Hero calls $760

Flop: ($3000.00) 3 K 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1340.00, BTN calls $1340, Hero calls $1340

Turn: ($7020.00) J (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks

River: ($7020.00) T (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $15326.00

which hand does he call flop with but check turn that is better than yours? only TT imo
I call

I can't see how river is anything but a fistpump call.

edit: His pf/flop range is so wide. There are so few combos that beat you.

I call. Altho i lead river b/c turn checked through

In case it's gone unnoticed.. the river shove is 2.2x pot.. and all of AQ/KK/JJ/TT are certainly in SR's range (in fact I'd argue that he checks all of them back on the turn the majority of the time).. but what sucks is that he's certainly good enough to do this with 66-99/KJ/random A9hh type hands.. which can make this spot really ****ty..

50% of the time listen to your heart

the other 50% anything can happen ANYTHING

Since you're almost never going to continue on this flop you don't really need to worry about balance here, raise definitely seems better.

don't agree with this, just calling looks exactly like KQs/KJs no?

sick hand though. i know he's pretty nitty pre and don't think he's bluffing. i'd fold if he can't have KJo.

how can we do anything but call here?

I agree with SuperRu's reasoning. There doesnt seem to be much added value to our flop calling range by calling with A3 here.

There also seems to be some rational, even though it would clearly be bad, to raising the flop as a bluff. Which could lead either to a light call down or a spazz by SR.

does he ever ship AK/AA here for value?

If he does for 2.2x pot.. it's one hell of a merge.. I mean he doesn't have that many random floats in his range given pf and his flop flat and then his check back on the turn when given the opportunity to bluff with those hands that we want/need him to be bluffing with on the river... so all that should lead him to understand that shoving the river that thinly is pretty unnecessary given his potential bluffing range (on the river) is not thaaaat big..

I'm mostly a limidonk but the action suggest to me that if I'm the button in this spot that no one really should have aa beat here?