Did anyone actually ever coach Girah or did he just inquire to ever notable coach out there? Did JM coach him extensively as was stated before all this?

Was anyone actually ever coached by Girah?

Pretty sure the post we were looking for was this one:

[7/9/2011 11:32:18 PM] josé maria macedo: i wonder how much a -100k ptr is worth

Pretty sure, that's why I said "Also".

Just cus you're looking for one 'post' doesn't mean other statements have to be ignored. /derail

Yeah I agreee, I already made statements previously in this thread about my dealings with him. Specifically about requesting to play him at 5/10 HU when I made it clear to him that I did not want to play any higher. So what does he do, he makes playing higher a requirement and we don't play. Seems pretty dodgdy to me and that he thought he was gonna lose a bunch of money to me if he sat down.

10. DIH only logged in to joses lock account once to play some 25/50 PLO while he had this samguy account with 100k

kswell is on point. theres a ton of money to be made if they feel with their (JM and DIH) coaching, staking, management, and marketing services they can take almost all of prodigies profit from all sources. JM posted that hes coaching jose and hes going to be a beast. pretty realistic that they thought they could actually make this kid a beast. i posted my theory already http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=582

the crystal ball's working

its comforting to know that although DIH doesnt know what hes going to do next, hes got lots of money and real estate. it was really nice to casually add that for the sole purpose of giving all the readers peace of mind

I can't find the relevant posts anywhere, but Haseeb playing PLO on Jose's account occurred before the $100k was chip dumped, correct? Surely, even if by some miracle Haseeb didn't know about the lock poker challenge then, he would have known after?

The worst part was when he said he was writing a book that will include the scandal... probably will sell it in paperback only to make us buy it to find out what he really knew.

I mean if Haseeb had an outstanding debt to Jungle at this point of 275K+, then what would be his motive for not coming out with this information by now?

Im sure that HQ def had some financial motivations, but I think a lot of people are overlooking that he clearly has some sort of big brother/daddy/savior/hero/pappa bear wanna be complex going on and I do think that may have a lot to with why he went to such lengths to help the scumbag out and maybe that blinded him from seeing the full extent of Jose's bull****.

I am very surprised that no one spoke about that. Surely, DIH cannot be serious when he writes something like this ? I am just baffled. The guy got (supposedly) hacked, every month or so a big scam is uncovered.... Seriously DIH ?

lol yes! someone plz call his mom

well and its not only this sort of unbelievable level of niavety; its that he went out on a limb risking his money (offering to bet any amount PPP was exactly who he said he was, in this post) as well as putting his reputation on the line for someone he barely knew, while the entirety of NVG was crying foul saying this guy is fake for 1,000,000 reasons... and then he swoops in and say's NO ITS REAL GUYS TRUST ME, so its not like he had no inclination that PPP was faking it as his quote would seem to represent

This was within the realm of possibility 2 days ago, but not anymore.

And who is that battle going to be waged against? Here we have jungleman moving in with Jose, while girah begging durrrr to allow him to play the durrrr challenge.

Which is what some of us said all along.

fwiw I think that if YOU think that NoahSD might not go hard, then if he's on the panel SO SHOULD YOU. you can ask the hard questions then, such as just why was jungleman still moving in with Haseeb/Jose when he had already known about the chipdumping, and whether jungleman himself ever played on Girahh and other Jose-related accounts.

basically to me the panel is just a glorified way to make jungleman feel good, because at the end of the day we just want a couple of crucial questions answered, questions he keeps avoiding.

whereas Haseeb took another strategy, he addresses the questions by lying, then admitting once we figure out they were lies.

I'm not saying he didn't do some really shady stuff, to me this is much more likely then him setting up a super long-con from day 1.

He found a kid who played into the whole needing a big brother thing and Pappa Bear fell right for it. Jose manipulated HQ into doing some really stupid crap, which is still totally inexcusable, and now he's paying the price for it. (rightfully so)

I posted bthis before, but ilrg (maxktz1) got coaching, here are his two quotes about it:

For real right? That *******.

meh, liek someone else said, it's important to define financial stress. does he have 5k liquid? 50k? 500k? does he have 50k in savings/real estate (lolzers)? 500k? 5m?!

either way, we know a few things:
1. he did not have 300k liquid to pay ashton immediately. we do not know if he paid jungleman back, it seems unlikely that he did right away (i use this assumption because jm probably didn't care, it's pretty common for people to owe someone they call a friend, especially someone they live with, some random 5 figure amount. i realize this is much more, but jm is also super paid, so i doubt it was a priority to get 300k when he prob had 5m on ftp at the time).
2. if you've made money from poker, even a lot of money, you know it comes and goes. if he's made 1.5m from poker (probably not a stretch), then how much does he spend? did he buy a house (real estate imo)? did he pay taxes? did he lose 300k in a bet? even before he got scammed, he's unlikely to have had much more than 1/3 of "what he made," then he loses 300k in a prop bet.

sounds like financial distress to me.

really is ridiculous, but exactly how i kind of expected it to end. tbh, it's a ridiculously layered scandal and perhaps not over, but it simply would not have been that bad had everyone involved not handled it as poorly as possible. is there a term for lying until it's proven that you're lying and then telling a vague semblance of the truth? if not, there should be, but calling it a quereshi or w/e doesn't roll off the tongue. i guess we can start saying, "are you dogisheading me?"

this is an incredible find.

i would be fine with being part of a panel that interviewed dan live, i think there are some questions left to be answered, though im not sure if dan can answer them.

I see some potential in jose/hose. "i got hosed" / "i got jose'd"

Has anyone tried to get an explanation from Jose himself? I remember reading at least one member of the Skype group was still managing to get in contact with him fairly easily. Would it be worth trying to see if he is ready to reveal a more in depth explanation? Perhaps he would be willing to do a panel interview as well? Or is it just a case of everyone thinks he is a pathological liar now and anything he said wouldn't be believed?
I feel like if DiH was fully aware of Jose faking his results etc there may be a time when he is ready to throw his 'mentor' under the bus so to speak.

Are you Dogging me?

Seriously Haseeb? You expect us to blindly read your blog and assume you're the victim of all of this? You're delusional and guilty.

i talked to him and started by asking him a question I already knew the answer to (if it was dog or jungle MA'ing on lock) and he lied. then i made him swear on it just for the lols. he did. he then proceeded to say theres nothing more to the story and that everything about him is true blahblahblahblah a bunch of lies. i pressed him pretty hard but he just kept on lying. in the end he asked if i thought he could come back from it in 2-3 years if he tried his hardest. "do you believe in second chances?". finally he said he wasn't reading the threads about it and that he was going on vacation.

From the looking for prodigy thread, at the time interest was blowing up after everyone (DIH,JM,sauce,etc) had vouched

These are from what I understand his gimmicks, and I'll bold what I find interesting

1 hour later

This is directed at the ones who speculating whether things were carefully planned, and by who, etc.
Not the scam itself but the publicity/going for deals.

Source: thread

Any confirmation on who the oovoo99 account is who girah(lookingforprodigy) mentions in that thread? Really suspect account imo. Spins up 355k in 1 and a half months in 15k hands, never to be seen again. Someone also confirmed that his stats are very similar to the ones posted as Girah's in original ppp thread.
This is also the account that beat oldjude for 90k in a match he suspected that something strange was going on. He mentioned it in his pokerstatic interview.