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Old 08-07-2011, 03:39 PM   #126
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Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

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This entire situation is extremely unfortunate, but I don't believe the blame should fall at all on Haseeb + Jungle. They've both responded adequately in this thread IMO.
If you think Haseeb has responded adequately, you've skipped parts of the thread.
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:40 PM   #127
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Jose, words can't even describe how big of a scumbag you really are.
This.

"Girah", you make me sick.
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:42 PM   #128
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His chat was instant when we discussed strat. This was over a 4-5 month period.
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I've talked a lot of strategy with him, and from what I remember it has always been pretty instant.
maybe i am wrong then, wouldn't be the first time
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:44 PM   #129
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There's a very well known UK high stakes pro who has done exactly the same thing.

V disappointed in Girah obv. When I played against him on ipoker albeit over a short sample he didn't seem to do anything that would make you think he was on another level.
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:46 PM   #130
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We had his Lock poker account, uh, locked for investigation. We have a guy who works high up who's confirmed Jose has funds in his account, and has confirmed that Jose has sent Merge (the network Lock is on) two mails asking for $30,000 to be transferred to my account. The payments for the actual scamming will go through wire.



I wasn't one of those who lost money to Jose, so I can't tell what the others are thinking about legal charges. I'll let you know.

Edit: I was just told $64,000 are being transferred to my account for the scam + compensation.
why'd you get so much?
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:53 PM   #131
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There's a very well known UK high stakes pro who has done exactly the same thing.

V disappointed in Girah obv. When I played against him on ipoker albeit over a short sample he didn't seem to do anything that would make you think he was on another level.

Why do people continue to play ring around the rosie with **** like this? If you know people who are doing this OUT THEM FFS DONT TRY TO PROTECT THEIR IDENTITY IN ANY WAY.
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:54 PM   #132
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The whole vouching system is just insanely stupid. Any other analysis of it is just plain wrong.
you obv just have untrustworthy friends, iv never done a trade with anyone who was vouched for that didn't go 100% smooth, the vouching system I would say has 95% success rate in HSNL, maybe in mid-stakes its flawed, but to say its stupid is just an unintelligent comment
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:55 PM   #133
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seriously. not outting someone who's capable of doing something this low is truly mind boggling.
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:57 PM   #134
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I really think dog/jungle/sauce need to teamview girah and make all his usernames public on all sites, so we can really get to the bottom of this...thoughts?
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Old 08-07-2011, 03:59 PM   #135
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why'd you get so much?
Jose wanted to give the group $30,000 in compensation for the time a few of us put into investigating this (me, Moss, TooCurious and one we know in Merge have spent a substantial amount of time), and for setting us up for a scam/scamming two of the players. The other $34,000 I'm sending to Moss and Imfromsweden.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:03 PM   #136
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There's a very well known UK high stakes pro who has done exactly the same thing.

V disappointed in Girah obv. When I played against him on ipoker albeit over a short sample he didn't seem to do anything that would make you think he was on another level.
Are you trying to be interesting by telling us you have some kind of inside scoop or are you just plain stupid?

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Old 08-07-2011, 04:04 PM   #137
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Jose wanted to give the group $30,000 in compensation for the time a few of us put into investigating this (me, Moss, TooCurious and one we know in Merge have spent a substantial amount of time), and for setting us up for a scam. The other $34,000 I'm sending to Moss and Imfromsweden.

maybe he wants you to stop researching so much, so more information isnt uncovered that he is hiding...take the 30k and laugh and keep searching, there is a lot that more that people dont know..keep up the good work
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:06 PM   #138
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According to "ilrg"(scam victim), girah/Jose said his ongame account was frozen because Haseeb/dogishead had logged into it. Presumably this is the same "backer" that had been discovered in June to have logged into his account playing hands and winning.

Therefore, there's the connection RIGHT THERE, that Haseeb/dogishead has been scamming people as well, since he has played under girah/Jose's accounts as a "backer".

We now need urgent answers to these questions:

1) Has girah/Jose shared the signnames of people he's talked strategy with and their playing tendencies etc, with Haseeb/dogishead? I'm talking about guys like MossBoss/ilrg/imfromsweden/etc.

2) Has Haseeb/dogishead then gone ahead and played these guys under both HIS OWN SIGNNAME and also other invented but not yet outted signnames, scamming the victims even more than just already reported? The victims so far and others in the strategy group need to delve much deeper into their HH's and see if other players seemingly unrelated to girah/Jose that they had lost big to in recent weeks were in fact operated by Haseeb/dogishead.

3) Since Haseeb/dogishead is traveling with jungleman and both were moving in with girah/Jose, has Haseeb/dogishead shared information of signnames and playing tendencies etc with jungleman as well?

4) Has jungleman himself logged into Jose's accounts just like Haseeb/dogishead did?

5) What is the whole purpose of Haseeb and jungleman travelling together. jungleman was rejected from Canada. They are now in Europe. Do they have a plan of setting up ID's in numerous countries inside the EU and therefore multiple accounts and using these anonymous accounts to play the players that girah/Jose is capable of either ghosting or providing detailed strategy reports regarding their playing tendencies? Was THAT the whole purpose of sharing a house with this Portugese kid to begin with?

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Old 08-07-2011, 04:13 PM   #139
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Jose wanted to give the group $30,000 in compensation for the time a few of us put into investigating this (me, Moss, TooCurious and one we know in Merge have spent a substantial amount of time), and for setting us up for a scam/scamming two of the players. The other $34,000 I'm sending to Moss and Imfromsweden.
In other words, it seems it was sent to pay off the scammed for not pressing charges of theft and fraud, deeds punishable in every other respectable aspect of society. I really hope these two guys rise to the occasion, set an example for the rest of us and show that not evey poker player will just swallow their pride for a few bucks, especially two great players like this for whom that money means practically nothing in the long run.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:14 PM   #140
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Does the 30k in bonus "compensation" money that girah is offering on top of the money lost in the scam have any conditions? I am wondering what Girahs incentive is given that the details of the scam are public and his reputation is destroyed.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:22 PM   #141
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posting this again because I think it's v v important that Haseeb & jungleman answer these questions ASAP, and no the "traveling so can't log on often" excuse is pure BS. when your reputation is on the line you will log on and defend it. any city in europe has netcafes and they can afford the $$$ to sit there for a few hours and respond in detail, as opposed to the "traveling so can't wade through the stuff on 2p2" excuse that they gave.

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According to "ilrg"(scam victim), girah/Jose said his ongame account was frozen because Haseeb/dogishead had logged into it. Presumably this is the same "backer" that had been discovered in June to have logged into his account playing hands and winning.

Therefore, there's the connection RIGHT THERE, that Haseeb/dogishead has been scamming people as well, since he has played under girah/Jose's accounts as a "backer".

We now need urgent answers to these questions:

1) Has girah/Jose shared the signnames of people he's talked strategy with and their playing tendencies etc, with Haseeb/dogishead? I'm talking about guys like MossBoss/ilrg/imfromsweden/etc.

2) Has Haseeb/dogishead then gone ahead and played these guys under both HIS OWN SIGNNAME and also other invented but not yet outted signnames, scamming the victims even more than just already reported? The victims so far and others in the strategy group need to delve much deeper into their HH's and see if other players seemingly unrelated to girah/Jose that they had lost big to in recent weeks were in fact operated by Haseeb/dogishead.

3) Since Haseeb/dogishead is traveling with jungleman and both were moving in with girah/Jose, has Haseeb/dogishead shared information of signnames and playing tendencies etc with jungleman as well?

4) Has jungleman himself logged into Jose's accounts just like Haseeb/dogishead did?

5) What is the whole purpose of Haseeb and jungleman travelling together. jungleman was rejected from Canada. They are now in Europe. Do they have a plan of setting up ID's in numerous countries inside the EU and therefore multiple accounts and using these anonymous accounts to play the players that girah/Jose is capable of either ghosting or providing detailed strategy reports regarding their playing tendencies? Was THAT the whole purpose of sharing a house with this Portugese kid to begin with?
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:25 PM   #142
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According to "ilrg"(scam victim), girah/Jose said his ongame account was frozen because Haseeb/dogishead had logged into it. Presumably this is the same "backer" that had been discovered in June to have logged into his account playing hands and winning.

Therefore, there's the connection RIGHT THERE, that Haseeb/dogishead has been scamming people as well, since he has played under girah/Jose's accounts as a "backer".

We now need urgent answers to these questions:

1) Has girah/Jose shared the signnames of people he's talked strategy with and their playing tendencies etc, with Haseeb/dogishead? I'm talking about guys like MossBoss/ilrg/imfromsweden/etc.

2) Has Haseeb/dogishead then gone ahead and played these guys under both HIS OWN SIGNNAME and also other invented but not yet outted signnames, scamming the victims even more than just already reported? The victims so far and others in the strategy group need to delve much deeper into their HH's and see if other players seemingly unrelated to girah/Jose that they had lost big to in recent weeks were in fact operated by Haseeb/dogishead.

3) Since Haseeb/dogishead is traveling with jungleman and both were moving in with girah/Jose, has Haseeb/dogishead shared information of signnames and playing tendencies etc with jungleman as well?

4) Has jungleman himself logged into Jose's accounts just like Haseeb/dogishead did?

5) What is the whole purpose of Haseeb and jungleman travelling together. jungleman was rejected from Canada. They are now in Europe. Do they have a plan of setting up ID's in numerous countries inside the EU and therefore multiple accounts and using these anonymous accounts to play the players that girah/Jose is capable of either ghosting or providing detailed strategy reports regarding their playing tendencies? Was THAT the whole purpose of sharing a house with this Portugese kid to begin with?
Playing from anothers account is ofc illegal, but talking strat about other players and sharing reads come on there can be nothing wrong with that.
Also on network eurosites everyone can have multiple accounts and I'm sure all highstakers are aware that they can be playing anyone if they dont recognise the account in question.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:28 PM   #143
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Jose offered the 30,000 before we had gone public with this. Me and Moss were in a discussion with Jose trying to sort out the payments, and he offered. We told him clearly this is going public no matter what and if it's as meant as a bribe, we'd decline no matter the size. He said he knows and just wanted to give compensation.

More than that I don't know, unfortunately.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:38 PM   #144
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Like the others have said, Jose posted strat instantly pretty much every day for many months.

Now, Moss and I have been discussing whether it's right to post this as we don't want to send people on a wild goose chase, but we think it's relevant so here goes: My experience sweating Jose left me quite surprised as he seemed insecure and unsure what to do in basic situations. Put shortly, the level of his play did not match the level of his strat talk. If I remember correctly I did only sweat him for 20-30 minutes, but this was enough to make me wonder at the time. In the end I chalked it up to him focusing more on 6 max than HU games. I did not mention this to anyone until after Jose was exposed as a cheater. Matt will make a post shortly to clarify what he thought of Jose's play.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:41 PM   #145
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Like the others have said, Jose posted strat instantly pretty much every day for many months.

Now, Moss and I have been discussing whether it's right to post this as we don't want to send people on a wild goose chase, but we think it's relevant so here goes: My experience sweating Jose left me quite surprised as he seemed insecure and unsure what to do in basic situations. Put shortly, the level of his play did not match the level of his strat talk. If I remember correctly I did only sweat him for 20-30 minutes, but this was enough to make me wonder at the time. In the end I chalked it up to him focusing more on 6 max than HU games. I did not mention this to anyone until after Jose was exposed as a cheater. Matt will make a post shortly to clarify what he thought of Jose's play.
Yup, ivvaen has basically said what I also surmised from watching him play for ten minutes. His plays didn't seem downright bad, but he did plenty of things that I would not anticipate anyone who is particularly good at heads up poker doing. I actually noted down seven different hands in a 10 minute period where I thought he made a decision that was not optimal (and in some cases I thought it was a fairly bad mistake). To clarify the matter, and hopefully bulk out our flimsy sample size a little, the matches ivvaen and I watched were two different matches, though again, mine was only for a 10 minute period.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:47 PM   #146
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Can someone copy/paste post 904 from the NVG thread into this thread, I'm not sure how to do it but def important to have in this thread
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:50 PM   #147
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It is possible while chatting to numerous players at the same time that he could copy and paste answers and strat he was getting off players to other high stakes players. Essentially letting two high stakes players talk strat with each other with him in the middle. Similar to what Derron Brown did when he beat numerous grand masters simultaneously in chess by remembering their moves and playing a grandmaster v a grandmaster.
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Can someone copy/paste post 904 from the NVG thread into this thread, I'm not sure how to do it but def important to have in this thread
i'm assuming a few posts have been deleted and post 904 is now post 901 in that thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=901

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So this is a very long thread and I am not going to read through all of it. Below is my account of everything that has happened.

Girah invites me to a skype strategy group. This was probably a 4-6 weeks after black friday. During this time, I was playing very little poker and was almost non-existent in the group. I didn't participate in much strategy discussions nor any sweat sessions.

At some point, I log in and Girah and Toocurious are talking about a fish named dollarman223. TooCurious mentions that this fish plays terribly preflop but seems to 'own' him postflop and that he plays 25-50+. Girah pushes me to play dollarman. TooCurious is horrible at poker, so I decide to play dollarman. We play a short session of 1 table of 25-50 where I end up winning. During this time Girah is messaging me on skype but not viewing my screen. Dollarman leaves only to return in a short while. We begin playing another session during which Girah presses me very hard to allow him to 'sweat' me via teamviwer. Reluctantly, I agree.

I want to stress that this is the first and last time I have allowed anyone to 'sweat' me at my regular stakes. I have allowed students to watch me play much lower stakes and ask questions later - but that is where my 'sweating' experience ends.


Dollarman and I play another short session, this time with Girah watching via TV. I run numerous suicide bluffs, all of which work and end up winning about 4k overall. Dollarman becomes 'tilted' and asks to play 50-100 deep. I decline. He asks to play at a different time and we exchange e-mails. Over the next 2 weeks, dollarman e-mails me several times asking to play 2 tables of 50-100 deep. Over the same time period, Jose becomes super insistent that I play dollarman and allow him to TV. It becomes almost an obsession for him. He is also insistent that TooCurious play dollarman and allow him to TV and that the European guys in the group who play on ipoker play sauron.

This goes on until toocurious messages me and says he believes that Girah is cheating. It is decided that we contact ipoker and merge to try and collect some hard evidence and look for links between Girah and dollarman. One of the guys ends up contacting Sauce and Dogishead.

While we waited for responses, one or more of the group members pressed Girah for information. I was not involved in any of the discussions with Girah, as I have had very little contact with him since TooCurious brought up these allegations but I did read through the chat transcripts that were posted. It was clear that Girah knew that he was caught as he had come up with a story that his 'real life frined' super used him. This story was sent to at least 3 people in the group, myself included. Following this he admitted to ToOCurious that dollarman and sauron are the same person and that it is his rich friend from school and that "sometimes" he played at his house. A bunch of other BS followed.

The next day(?) Dogishead enters our skype chat and says that Girah confessed to him that this cheating took place. Prior to this, Girah did not confess to me nor anyone else within the group as far as I know. In any case, Dog says he will get back the money of those who lost it. In fact, he gave his word that if Jose didn't pay then he and Jungleman would. He then asks if we are going to go public with this and mentions that it's up to us, but he would rather it didn't go public. He mentions that they were going to go live with him...but if this gets out then they can't do that anymore...implying that if this wasn't outed they would still live together(?). He continues by taking on the role of big brother and almost defending Girah by saying that he's young and stupid and that while what he did was scummy, he doesn't think that he's a bad person and a whole bunch of other comments that rubbed me the wrong way.

During these conversations, Dog admitted that both he and Jungleman back Girah for highstakes games. This leads me to believe that either Dog or Jungleman were the mysterious backer who logged in to play PLO during the Lock Challenge. Jose also mentioned that one of the ipoker accounts he uses is in Dog's name. To quote Dog "draw your own conclusions".

Dog was very insistent that we hold off on making any posts before he had a chance to deal with this situation as both Jungle and him had "strong ties" to Jose. He also wanted us to wait and "confront" Jose and let him "explain himself" and other completely asinine kindergarten BS.


It became apparent (at least to me) that the only thing Dog cared about was his reputation, not about what his "very close" friend did, not about the people who were cheated - only that he's not portrayed in any way that could damage him. He confirmed this yesterday when, upon learning that all of the above would be posted, came into the skype group and said that if this was mentioned, "there is NO way [they] can agree to bank transfer the money".

According to Dog, in terms of reimbursement, Jungleman was going to bank wire funds to Moss who would distribute them to those who were cheated. I don't know if this is still the plan or if this has happened yet since I am not owed. It is a complete mess and it is possible that Girah may be repaying the funds via Lock.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:51 PM   #149
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Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 NVG xpos

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Like the others have said, Jose posted strat instantly pretty much every day for many months.

Now, Moss and I have been discussing whether it's right to post this as we don't want to send people on a wild goose chase, but we think it's relevant so here goes: My experience sweating Jose left me quite surprised as he seemed insecure and unsure what to do in basic situations. Put shortly, the level of his play did not match the level of his strat talk.
Because his strategy talk in videos at least, and posts, might have come from him reading a script handed to him by Haseeb/jungleman or Haseeb posting under his 2p2 account.

We need a 2p2 mod to go through all the posts in the past few months and see if indeed there were outside-Portugese logins into "girah" making strategy posts as well as starting the prodigy thread that started it all.
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I think it might help if one of the dudes whom girah pestered to play one of these guys while he TVed them could post that chat log.
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