bluff ftl

Time frame for when it'll be posted?

Why cant u also now answer some of the questions that has been asked here several times ?

I think a combination of a couple HSNLers who have been following the situation combined with some people like NoahSD compiling some of the more important ?s and doing in-depth questioning and then releasing some sort of summary would be the best way to handle this. Everything gets out of control in NVG and the possibility of answering every ? in a productive way with minimal follow-up NVG misinterpretation/super-long ****storms is slim-to-none. Think something along the lines of a committee report to alleviate concerns is the best we can hope for.

I'd volunteer but I've got a ton to do these next few days.

I expect very little out of the Haseeb blog (wtf is with blogging btw, just post answers).

The interview with 2+2 members sounds like the best idea. Aejones would be my vote as he seems to have followed this and has not seemed afraid to step on eggshels in search of answers and thus think it unlikely Haseeb will be able to use misdirection or slyness to avoid topics.

I nominate Lefort.

Along with Noah and maybe sauce and or someone else that was directly involved as a victim and part of the skype group.

Dan, what's your take on the SamChauhan account.

Girah was losing at 5/10 for the whole month.
2 days before the end of the challenge a huge fish shows up at the nosebleeds, which literally never run on Lock.
Girah gets to play him (Boywonder talked about given how intense the competition for a chance to play with fish that high is on euro networks, the chance that Girah would happen to get to play him is 1 in 50,000 in his opinion) and somehow "wins" 167k off of him, enough to win the challenge.
Also, supposedly at that time, Jose was staked by you guys specifically for 10/20 max, I think.

Do you think that's weird at all?
I mean, if you're not implicated in this whatsoever, how can you say with certainty that Haseeb isn't either?
How likely is it that some Portuguese friend of Jose would choose that SN to chip dump to him?

You've already been taken advantage of by at least Jose and likely by DiH as well. I know you have a lot of people giving you advice right now (like what to say in that interview) but you should really look at the big picture and see that you need to look out for yourself here. It's abundantly clear to anyone that you didn't have active knowledge of what was going on, but you've been complicit in an attempt to cover-up or downplay a lot of what happened afterwords. You need to stop listening to all those people (agents, publicists, other parties to the scam) and consider whether or not total immediate disclosure of everything you know/knew and when you knew it will finally put this behind you. I see no reason your reputation should be damaged in the slightest if you do that

These 3 questions are of utmost importance:

He is refusing to answer just WHO set up and played under SamChauhan
SamChauhan chipdumped to Girahh at hsnl for a huge amount of money. If it's really Sam the mental coach who makes money telling people not to tilt irresponsibly along other things, then jungleman should know since Sam's his coach. Sam also doesnt have millions to just donk off $100K+ for fun. If it's not Sam, who was it??

He is also refusing to answer just who had been playing under Girahh at highstakes
Jose at msnl was not winning for a while and refused to play msnl against those in the skype group, while strangely crushed hsnl using money he didnt have, since he was in makeup to jungleman.

He is also refusing to answer whether screeenshots/graphs were doctored, and if so who did it.
At least 50 people lined up for coaching from Jose at $500/hr or more partly due to the incredible screenshots and graphs that have now seem to have been doctored.

+1 as well, we need someone prepared to ask the hard questions that get to the bottom of it all... ie the 3 questions I just posted.

I don't mean to downplay NVG's traditional role in ferreting out information and exposing scandals. But open Q&A w/an entire forum full of people that tend to have some combination of agendas, prejudices, bitterness, poor reading comprehension, diminished mental capacity, ignorance of poker, and tendencies to espouse huge conspiracy theories isn't very efficient. Not saying all NVGers have all (or even one) of those but given that it doesn't take but a few posters to start derails/digressions, a more guided inquiry would probably be better.

I can't blame JM for not feeling like taking on all questions and sitting behind a keyboard 24/7 to make sure that people aren't misinterpreting him or either dealing with crazy ?s or ignoring them and being accused of hiding something.

+3 Aaron is my candidate for an interview

Then one person gathers all the important questions in a list, send it to him, he writes out responses to all without delay, and either posts that himself in the thread or let the person who sent him the list do that. Simple.

Very well said, I completely agree provided that the players on the "committee" in question agree to keep up with the speculative developments in the NVG threads.

And +1 for AeJones, we need someone who's not in awe of Jungleman and will not shy away from tough questions while not being (too) sadistic in his approach.

I think absurd referred to only releasing a summary of information gathered rather than the entirety of the interview being carried out in a thread which was open to be fully viewed by everyone (though could not be posted in by everyone). I agree this would be a stupid way of doing it but not sure its what you actually meant.

I also agree that a group questioning of DIH and JM would be a good way to deal with the situation.

My nominations would be:

AEJones
NoahSD
MossBoss
KJemmy
Sauce123

I would like to respectfully request that you consider including one of the rational NVG regs to participate as well. HS regs used NVG to hype Girah and shout down anyone who asked questions about his authenticity, and despite that some NVG regs did a lot of work digging up some of the facts on Girah (not that someone here couldn't have as well, but still).

My suggestion would be Rangey.

I hope you'll consider it.

I would say Aejones, NoahSD, Rangey and MossBoss.

However, it should be done in two installlments; after the first line of questions the facts are presented, at which point everyone can formulate questions. The panel then look through the questions submitted by 2+2 members and narrow them down for a follow-up.

Or everyone could just come clean at once.

bluff article says basically nothing.

the biggest thing is basically if joses hands are real or not. I find it very hard to believe the hands are real, and if they aren't real, i would like to know why Haseeb was not aware of this (he looked at hem in teamviewer, the filter section is not displayed but surely if the hands are fake he would notice this). you'd also think he'd ask a few questions re: the 800k! hands that Jose managed to play while going to high school and having a girlfriend and exercising and posting on a million two+two names etc. he also says he still believes this fully, so i assume he has had another look at the database himself to believe that since itd be easy to check and he should be suspicious at this point like everyone else. i find it weird to believe the only person that doesn't think those hands are dodgy is Haseeb. He's either lying or should have some solid proof for all Joses usernames etc that he can easily show people.

the other big thing is what the deal with the lock challenge was; did you guys OK Jose to play much larger stakes to win the challenge? you were staking him so i assume he asked you before making a major jump from losing @ 5/1 to playing much higher.

On what planet should Sauce123 and Kjemmy both of whom are tangentially involved be the ones questioning JM ? What ??

fwiw I dont think its a good idea having too many people question jungleman all at once.. too many voices can get confusing. jungleman would refuse to do the interview if you include RangeyMc3xmerge I'm sure.

Just 1 well-known HSNL reg who's prepared to ask the hard questions, and 1 2p2 mod who has a good track record of dealing with scandals.

aejones and NoahSD are good enough for me. aleximartov is also a good candidate.

we dont really want anyone involved with the scandal itself, ie. anyone from skype group MossBoss or kjemmy to be asking questions because 1) they already had their chance, 2) there's a conflict of interest since them being paid in full(afaik they havent received the extra $30K in full yet) might be contigent on how they interact with jungleman at least according to Haseeb(if this gets out in public, there's no way in hell you get paid in full)

Didnt haseeb say he knew nothing of the bluff challenge?

i vote alexei to ask the questions.

I also nominate Lefort.

Apologies if this has been said already:

Haseeb says that he discussed with Jose what he wanted his nickname to be and after a while, he came up with Girah.

However, the Looking for Prodigy thread started in January while the Girah account on here was set up in December 2010 so why did this discussion occur if Jose already had his screen name available on 2p2? Haseeb clearly states that this conversation occurred after the initial thread was made.

Unless this was another example of Jose fooling Haseeb and being one step ahead of him, I doubt this conversation actually happened.

(I'm not a member of the HS community but I feel this might be a relevant observation. Feel free to delete.)

I think as long as it is established that you are a pro or earn a substantial portion of your living playing poker or from endeavours related to poker, and/or have been active and contributed to the forums in meaningful ways for an extended peiod of time, then anyone is fine to post. I think that statement is more to weed out the absolute worst trolls and people who may not have a lot of experience in the poker world, not create some sort of subculture elite of posters.