thac,

So you are saying mods can only see all the ips a poster has ever posted from, but not each specific post?

OK. Just wanted to make sure you're just guessing as opposed to confirming it through 2+2 records.

I'm not very versed in every function we have, but from what it looks like, yes. I assume oranges or blues can see which IP made which posts.

It seems almost impossible that Haseeb didn't know the hand histories were doctored and was "unaware" of Jose's bull**** viral marketing campaign. The simplest explanation seems to be that Haseeb was involved on the hoax from day one and gave Jose the idea. "Girah" was Haseeb's plan.

He probably saw it as a guerrilla marketing stunt to take an ambitious mid-stakes player and turn him into a poker prodigy. But Jose failed to learn, never made money, got desperate and decided to scam. (My full post on this. Didn't want to clutter thread)

There are plenty of different levels of access to functionality for forum administrators. What I do know for sure is that some admins will have the abillity to enter an IP address and have a list of all users that have ever posted from that address.

What we need is to somehow get an admin with those powers to run all addresses that girah, DOG and JM12 have ever used and see if the cross match with other usernames.

I don't want to appear naive but really doesn't seem like JM has had anything to do with this.

Again, I'm not saying that DiH is totally innocent and has never done anything stupid that at the time probably didn't seem THAT stupid because he didn't know the kid was scamming people.

But all of this IP posting evidence from Girah and all the other accounts just goes towards his narcissistic, sociopathic personality. He makes accounts to pump himself up and say how awesome he is. Now, DiH knows very well that mods can see that his account is posting from same ip as girah account. Would he have posted on Girah's account if he believed that this kid could at all be shady in the least? Knowing that one day something may happen and it'll get traced back to him etc...

I'm not saying DiH didn't make some idiot decisions and trust/believe in this kid way too much (so did others in the community) but I am saying that he didn't plan some huge viral marketing campaign, or plan some insane scam where he could play on euro sites as jose (who people already believed was amazing, so why would jose's accounts get action where DiH's accounts could not), or have JM play a durrrr challenge #2 pretending to be jose when he could just play the durrrr challenge as himself again (yes i realize there is equity in playing under jose's account, but why risk that when he crushed durrrr the first time) etc...

people saying the 'simplest explanation' is that DiH is a mastermind puppeteer that got everyone to fall for all this stuff is just laughable... The simplest explanation is that Jose is a sociopath and a narcissist who was good at convincing people of his success. DiH probably talked strategy with him, thought he was really bright and just backed the results that Jose presented to him without doing any real research because he thought he found the next big thing. Was that wrong? Yes definitely. Did he have some financial incentive at heart thinking about managing the kid? Probably. Should he have DONE HIS RESEARCH FAR MORE CAREFULLY. You bet. But I don't think his intentions were as ruthless/scummy as people are making them out to be. And what he did was insanely careless and naive, but I don't believe it was intentional.


And last but not least, i am once again saying that this thread should be about outting all of the scamming accounts so that everyone can check their DB to see if they lost to these accounts and claim some money. The DiH stuff belongs in it's own thread of sensational sensationalism for sensations sake.

I just spoke to a friend who's a cop and told him of the whole scandal, he had a very alarming take on the situation that nobody has mentioned:

"Do you really think Haseeb and jungleman are in London right now? Where's the proof?? Who are they staying with? Think from their perspective.. they were on their way to Portugal to live with a prodigy that is their creation. They've already made a lot of money from creating this prodigy and getting him hooked up for sponsorships, coaching, as well as staking him and possibly playing under his accounts. This is probably their main source of income post-Black Friday up to this point. They've packed up their whole lives to go live with Jose. Then on their way to Jose, **** hits the fan and everyone finds out Jose is a cheater. So why the hell would they just abandon plans and go to London? Why wouldn't they go and meet Jose in person? Also Jose might even owe them a ton of money and they would want that paid. Logical assumption would be that they would go meet Jose, coordinate responses from everyone to the poker community, and find a way to preserve their names whether or not they're involved in some of the scamming and multiaccounting. It costs them nothing extra since they already got tickets to go to Portugal but would do them a lot of good than going to London who is totally unrelated to the biggest threat to their positions in the community. They have too much money and reputation at stake not to go sort it out with Jose in person.... so you guys should really find a way to look up the IPs of Haseeb and jungleman's posts to see if they've actually been posting from PORTUGAL..."

Wow...

I'm not a computer expert so maybe someone can clear this up.
Does that mean that the Girah account was never located in Portugal but from a LV IP ?

Going to engage this post for some reason...

1) Who said they made money off of him? Actually they probably have lost money on him, if he is in fact down money on the stake.

2) Yeah, they really need to meet Jose in person to coordinate a response! Especially because jose hasn't said ANYTHING AT ALL. Nice coordination there.

3) ILL BET YOU THEY ARE IN LONDON.

Just one IP. His registration IP, among others, are based in Portugal.

I've been very busy and was too sleepy by the time I was free so I've just woken up and have just gotten back to checking TwoPlusTwo again, so that's why I haven't responded since yesterday.

I'll do what I can to try to respond to specific questions, but there are so many that it can get out of hand. Questions that I don't feel are reasonably stated or that have already been answered I will pass over.

He may have asked me to post something once or twice for him, but it was really rare. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a couple of posts he made that he asked me to do for him because he couldn't, but it was 99% him.

As far as the entire me getting hacked thing in late 2009, you can talk to guids on 2p2. He's the person who helped me uncover that I had been hacked. Some people from #MSNL may also remember the guy who came into the channel challenging me to play heads up and saying I was horrible and whatnot. At the time that had never happened before, and several days before I had played a match that I felt was very fishy and suspicious (I sent some of the hands to Ashton and a few other people if they remember). From the randomness of all of it I felt something was very amiss. I asked him for his screenname, and looked it up and its only play history was at midstakes and he was asking me for 10/20 or 25/50 heads up, I don't remember which. I was really sketched out, so I told him to come sit with me, then I logged in on my laptop on another computer and sat down at the table. When he never sat, that's when I suspected my computer was hacked. I contacted guids, a computer expert guy, who helped scan my ports and uncover this Swedish dude who was logged into my computer. As soon as I figured that out, I unplugged my computer and ended up taking a long break from the game.

I have no idea. I suggest you contact him yourself if you're curious. I genuinely don't know. iirc, he got a few things wrong regarding Jose's story and acted pretty weird with the whole offering a money reward thing.

Edit: apparently Thac has stated that the posts came from Girah's IP? This is really ****ing surprising to me. I will have to think about this. ****.

I asked him for his login before I played. We did not have his login at all times, I believe he changed it for me.

Regarding the SN's that Jose played under, most of my old conversations with him were on the desktop that I used in 2010 which I don't have with me here, it's back in Austin. But Sauce has provided 6 screennames, which is probably as many if not more than what I'd have if I culled over old chatlogs.

1. This has already been stated, but I have not made any money from Jose. He was down in the stake and had never actually paid me for helping him with his career.

2. He did not have any other accounts with money on them, only the Lockpoker one. We were trying to get him to open other accounts on Party and some other Italian site he kept telling us about, but Lock withdrawals were so slow that he wasn't able to.

3. I've explained this already. Jose had our money and we didn't want to spook him, etc. etc. As the way things have happened, Jose no longer has any incentive to be straight with us, and when a staker has a lot of equity in someone who has no more incentive to honor his backer's money, that's not a good situation.

I can only assume he scammed us by chip dumping. I don't recall, but it may have been dollarman.

I really doubt you did. We invited him to come stay with us and to show him around Vegas if he came over, but he said he was too busy with exams despite wanting to. He was very clearly doing exams at that time.

All of this speculation about me is wildly unfounded. When I lost to Isildur, I had little of my own action. Then I got hacked and lost 200k or so over a couple of months, discovered the hacking, pulled the plug on my accounts, got really depressed from all of this perfect storm of runbad and decided to go back to school for 6 months. Over that time I tried to get back into poker a few times and never really could because I don't think I had much passion for it anymore. I went out to Vegas that summer (I was still 20) to try to meet people who I had known from the online world, and it was there that I met Jungle and we became friends. We had known each other online and talked a lot of poker, but there he suggested that we might live together down the road. I thought it'd be a good idea because I wasn't able to get myself back into poker, had never lived with other poker players, and I really respected his NL game. We were originally planning to live in San Diego, but Ashton then invited the two of us down to Orlando to live with him, so there we went. I played poker during that time in Orlando, but not that much; I was putting maybe 1/3 of the hands that I used to in and not playing everyday. But I had plenty of money offline that I had saved up, and that went towards the prop bet. I'm pretty frugal in general.

Also, for all who are asking - I am not in debt. I paid Ashton the entirety of the 285k I owed him, he has already attested to this.

Also, might not be my place to say this, but the word "sociopath" is being thrown around like it doesn't even mean anything. Please, refrain from over-the-top accusations like that. Sociopathy is a very specific thing.

It was Ipoker, not Ongame.

1. No. Afaik they all play on Lock anyway, which I don't.

2. No...? You realize most of these guys aren't high stakes players right?

3. No. What the hell?

4. No.

5. Hahaha, no.

Yes, this was all stated. The total bet was 300k, and I had 285k. There were two other bettors, and afaik there was at least one other sidebet within the community not directly with Ashton.

No, it isn't. I can assure you of that.

I'm not sure who you're getting this from or why you think you have a window into my finances, but this is not the case, and is actually a pretty huge ****ing accusation. I'd like to hear where you got this from.

Wow, lots more intense accusations here than I expected. I'm going to read over some more and then post second part of responses.

But this accusation by AEJones is ****ing ridiculous, and completely untrue, and apparently he made it before even checking his sources. Jesus.

Woooooow indeed... that's some expert police detective work dick tracy... It could have been stated in one sentence and I'm sure your police friend had such intimate knowledge about how DiH/JM made money from Girah and how poker/staking work in general. I'm sure none of that run on paragraph was added/edited/written from scratch by you. The same things you're accusing DiH of doing.

Is that just the main Girah account or any of the accounts we now know to be his?

Sorry if thats what you meant, your answer just looks like it kind of dodges the question somewhat and its probably best if you are clear on it.

EDIT - Youve edited your post since I quoted this.

These are the other accounts, so we are clear on the question.

Haseeb,

Unless I am mistaken, it has been established that the 'Girah' 2p2 account posted from the same IP as you. Explanation?

Also things like this make you seem foolish:

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I'm 96% sure I saw Jose at Aria on June 30/July 1'ish. Not sure how important this is in the scheme of everything so PM if you need more details.

I really doubt you did. We invited him to come stay with us and to show him around Vegas if he came over, but he said he was too busy with exams despite wanting to. He was very clearly doing exams at that time."


I mean, maybe he was in Vegas, maybe he wasn't. But you seem to think this thing he told you was obviously true, despite now being aware that he told you about 10000x other lies.

If you go back a few pages, he actually attests to the fact that he has the logical capabilities of a HSNL player... He also chastised me for not possessing these abilities. His logical reasoning is far greater than the average bear.

Haseeb, do you consider 1300 hands a "pretty quick session" of "losing several buyins .. on some flips and then quit"?

Actually, most people, if they were owed money would go and recover that money especially if they already had plane tickets going there to begin with. There's nothing wrong or illogical with that. Right now everything needs to be checked out, that's all.

Also, to what extent did you verify he was the winning player he stated he was?

Just a small FYI Qureshi, people are not as interested in your sleeping habits as you seem to think.

No this was a legit offer that he made in order to get more students and to force himself to exercise more. He was offering this to a lot of people at the time. If you wanted legit coaching it was like 800/hr, but if you wanted cheaper coaching he would coach you while he would exercise on his training bike he'd do it for 500. This was advertised and there is a picture of the setup out there on the net somewhere.

Again, 664535w/e has the logical reasoning capabilities of a HSNL regular as he has attested to himself. He's had these abilities checked and verified by the proper agencies. The rest of us (namely me) have not.

I think he has a very inflated view of his worth in this thread. Also, LOL at asking real life people about 2+2 drama. I know your response will be that you were trying to ask your cop friend if it's a crime, I doubt very much your cop friend works in a dept. that would be responsible for handling this and not to mention I don't think Jose actually broke any laws. He just took advantage of people's trust.

well habeeb already lied and said he never did, then realized that it had already been outed itt, and he edited his post. good job bro

He's a troll in the purest form of the word. After touting the 'DiH stuff belongs in it's own thread' I'm now resorting to trolling this thread to point out 64534657w/e's blatant stupidity... That and I'm extremely bored not being able to play poker @ 2am in a suburb of San Diego...

If I troll him enough maybe he'll take my offer!

MOD can we ban this guy? his unwarranted personal attacks on me completely derails the thread which is about Jose, Haseeb, and jungleman. his only purpose in this thread is to stop people questioning what Haseeb knows or has done.

while some of us demanded to know if Haseeb posted under girah, which has now been proven true. so that line of questioning was completely legit to begin with.

I'm not going to respond to his personal attacks anymore, but please stop him from derailing the thread, thank you.