ok yes to tylersmith and arnie, I dont know for ineverfold, and 90% sure no for everyone else (just dont want to lie)

If it was you playing against arnie, why did I get this message from girah on skype? (i was a prospective student of jose's so I was pretty confused why he sent me this message at the time)

[10/05/2011 19:39:26] josé maria macedo: Hey man
[10/05/2011 19:39:39] josé maria macedo: I played this hand the other day and I'd like some thoughts
[10/05/2011 19:40:33] josé maria macedo:

***** Hand History for Game 338368753 ***** (Merge)
$10000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, April 29, 08:06:58 ET 2011
Table Burj Tower (Heads Up) (33836875) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: arnie92662 ( $9650.00 USD )
Seat 2: Girahh ( $10349.50 USD )
arnie92662 posts small blind [$50.00 USD].
Girahh posts big blind [$100.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Girahh [ Ad Ac ]
arnie92662 raises [$200.00 USD]
Girahh calls [$150.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, Th, 6d ]
Girahh checks
arnie92662 bets [$333.33 USD]
Girahh raises [$1111.10 USD]
arnie92662 calls [$777.77 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
Girahh bets [$1914.80 USD]
arnie92662 calls [$1914.80 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
Girahh raises [$7073.60 USD]

[10/05/2011 19:40:41] josé maria macedo: Is riv too thin?
[10/05/2011 19:40:44] josé maria macedo: I can't imagine it being too thin
[10/05/2011 19:40:47] josé maria macedo: But w/e

Daniel, just look at your HEM and you'll be 100% sure on all of them.

The problem is when he has done this in the past he just lies about everything he possibly can and gets annoyed when someone hangs something on him that can't be totally proven at that point (but later is).

I guess if he told the total truth everything might suddenly make sense though.

is this notation normal for a river bet that is all in?

Dog just posted a book (so to speak) here

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...53&postcount=1

I had my friend check a merge HH and no that isn't normal notation, a river shove just says bets.

champion post except 1 thing. Jungleman probably didnt run and evade like the other two because he is alot more to lose reputation wise. It seems to me Jungleman is a selfish person with out a moral compass, and wouldnt give a rats arse what people thought until it affected his himself.

Uh yeah, this is weird. This HH ought to be on Jungle's PC if he was playing so how does Girah have it?

Edit: OK this kinda gets cleared up by Haseeb's latest post - Jungle was playing on Girah's PC via Teamviewer at least for a time.

wow that hand history being posted is pretty huge.

So jungleman is promoting Girah's image or at the very least friends with the scammer Girah.

not really sure what it is evidence of, but def weird

Oh my god, no way!

Haven't read it all yet, but initial impressions after 10 or 11 paragraphs are that this is probably pretty frank and forthright. Can't help but think that if this was posted 4 or 5 days ago things would have been contained a ton more easily.

do you think jungleman and urnotindangr used to share accounts?

?????? level?

hh explained by tv

Hasseb, you really, really have no respect for peoples intelligence. After having read your third confession in a week, basically it seems that you have seen that Jungleman got off easy on the MAing and since you actually admitted to nothing but the chipdumping you´ve changed your mind about the whole leaving poker thing figuring you might get another shot as well and make some more money making videos.

But the questions surrounding you are very different from the ones surrounding Jungleman, and they boil down three:

1. How did you not know about the Lock poker challenge? Its seems ridiculous considering your level of involvement with Jose. Unbelievable, actually. Also the sums dumped, 2 days before the end of the challenge, incriminate you further.

2. How did you agree to give a 100 k stake to somebody whose results were you did not verify? To play 5/10? Jungleman says that you essentially had most contact with Jose. People do due diligence when they are staking someone for 3 k. But you request no sn´s, no database verification, nothing. You´ve never even met the guy. Sounds insane, unblelievable, in fact.

3. The one that is the craziest, is you saying that you have essentially been Jose´s agent, publicist, negotiator and marketer (even having gone so far as to polish his 2+2 posts, such detail!), and yet, not only have you made no money of him, you guys kinda left the negotiations "in the air". Again, you´ve never even met the guy. Yet, one of your best friends in the world, Jungleman, you charge 100 k (100 k!) over the course of a year to write some emails and be his "lifecoach". And you are 21. (Imo if details true the second close "friend" that you have tried to profit from, first one being the Ashman).

Now get everybody on board so that the above makes sense, then you´ll go a long way to saving your rep. But don´t digress into a bunch of other bull**** please.

I've seen multiple people claim this multiple times so they must be getting it from somewhere but I thought JM said he didn't actually pay Haseeb any money for all his help?

I'm trying to decide why you would possibly write this post? Seriously is it anyone's business to talk about how JM is with talking to girls? Like seriously? The G in NVG stands for gossip, can mods make sure this bull**** stays over there and this thread can actually be for serious discussion rather than psychoanalyzing JM from people who just took psych101 and now feel qualified to diagnose someone over the internet? There's some pretty serious allegations against JM that are still not clarified, we don't need to be muddying that stuff with his personality. His personality is probably relevant in some aspects like if he's really gullible and discussing his relationship with the other people involved in the scam but so many posts are like this just trying to be all superior like omgomg I'm better socially than the great jungleman! Seriously no one ****ing cares.

I think it's kind of strange Girah asked people to tell him if people like tylersmith and arnie were playing, he even offered to pay people if he actually got a hu match going with either one and you alerted him they were online. This was somewhere in the ssnl merge regs thread. Jungleman do you know anything about this?

Also has anyone else heard anything more about that teamviewerpro trojan?

so Haseeb is really still trying to sell that he didn't know anything about the lock challenge, and that Jose tried to sell the hu match vs SamChu on his twitter without telling him, while the entire time Jose knew it was going to be a chipdump?

And ignored questions from Vanessa as to why he didn't just dump 50k back when he found out to avoid scrutiny.

I really didn't expect DIH to come out with the stereotypical NVG line. This is just so, so, scummy. DIH/Jose/JM deliberately wanted people to think they were playing Jose. Tyler may or may not have known who Girahh was, but the intent was extremely clear.

I lol'd but that cardplayer nonsense is waaay worse than even the nuttiest of nutty statements I've read in NVG (though maybe I missed some gems).

HOLY ****

lol - you do realise that he has admitted to playing arnie right?

was just an example. every time he answers a question he gets 7 more. that was my point which you definitely missed.

I think everyone involved with this will realize even if innocent sometimes its better to just end thinks as quietly as possible even if its at a loss. Here some of this shoulda been out earlier and quicker. Would have been much quieter.