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And yes this was a big game with $kill but it wasn't insane or out of the ordinary. Way more money has changed hands in these homegames.

Ya that's pretty absurd IMO to not include him but I don't know all the details as I haven't been following it super closely. An obv all would agree not including him as they all get paid a larger amount!

thats not true......i challenge u to go back through all homegames and show me where way more than 10k was lost by anyone in a HU game....or even a ring game for that matter....or when someone lost 23k in a week in homegames...


i also disagree wholheartedly with the fact that he lost 10k in a hu match in which he was clearly freerolling doesnt matter

answer me this.......why should someone who plays like 10 ring game sessions and wins money that is available to be payed.......not be paid because at the end of a week one person wins a boatload in a HU match....when that was clearly a freeroll.....like over 90% of your weekly profit came from a HU match and you never played once in the 8game sessions which constituted the overwhelming majority of the games...whereas all of mine came from about 10 or more sessions which all came in 8 game ring.......and for the record this is why i said MULTIPLE times when homegames started that every session should be logged individually like we originally did and then those sessions would be treated as a sports bet would.....to avoid this.....because id never let someone go that deep without some sort of escrow and shouldnt be penalized if someone else did...

wannt 500$ on padres

settle stars or figure it out. regs qtb w line

But can I get a response please? This issue seems like a pretty big deal IMO. I would appreciate some clarity. How could an escrow go wrong in this scenario? Thx

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Hornets 1h +6 -105
Hornets +10 -107
Bobcats +2 1h
Kings -4.5
Kings under 196.5

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i dont know what your problem with me is but i think that dig is way out of line.

we weren't playing 10/20+ or a huge freezeout and i never lost 19K to you.
the amount one of us was up or down at one point in the session is immaterial as i'm sure any poker professional knows so what the point of saying that is i have no idea.

i'd love you to point out tho why its "comical" that i mention what the limts are and how small the home games are.....

is your point because ONE TIME out of tons of sessions there was a big swing and we played 5-10 WHEN EVERY OTHER SESSION WE'VE PLAYED has been
2-4 MAXIMUM and we've never had a swing more then 5K.....but ya one time we played 5/10 so that negates everything.

i had no idea that CD didn't know what was going on like i said if anyone pulls the chat logs from when i was involved in the discussion there will be nothing i say that i won't back up 100% in this thread and in fact i'd be glad to have the record published as i believe everything i said in the discussion was 10000% morally correct and unbiased by my personal interests.

and i'm super offended that despite the fact you had nothing to do with it and have no idea what was said you're trying to make some dig at me.
that is TOTALLY out of line, uncalled for and unmerited.

you want to not like me cuz "i run good vs you" or you don't like something i've said in chat thats fine but making personal unsubstantiated cracks at my character is way out of line.

and one more thing that is prolly the most important aspect of this and the main thing that should be taken from my first post is that i said REPEATEDLY in the limp discussions as anyone involved can attest to that anyone who lost money to him SHOULD NOT be forced to pay out and i had no money at stake so thats my unbiased objective opinion.

so had brandon lost 10K i would not have accepted a dollar from him in compensation.

so there was zero free-roll on my part, i obv can't account for what dare or sub or anyone else would have asked for or w/e but i would have been just as vocal in that situation as i was in the limp situation.

EDIT: OH ALSO i was operating under the assumption that you guys played a 10K HU freeze out. but again the only thing i ever said in the skype chat was that in my opinion it was a ****ty system we set up but under the rules of that system you deserved your fair share.
i was super busy and so did not participate in the later discussions.

It's not one time. There have been swings over 5k so many times in these games. I've personally played 5-10 NL/PLO HU on numerous occasions vs other regs here and included the numbers ITT. It's not like nobody knew that the games sometimes got really big. Nobody IMd or PMd me, or posted here and said hey x stakes don't count. If I would've seen anything like that this probably would not have even happened. Since I never received anything like that, the numbers count in the thread equally.

But we never did anything. Every single session has been included equally. I asked a ton of people if I could trust Skill, and everyone said yes.

I played dunlap at 5-10 PLO and won over 5k. I have lost over 5k playing 20-40 8 game and other PLO games in a single night. NOBODY posted any "rules" where only certain games and stakes counted in the homegame list. To wait until after the session happens, and finding out he rolled, is absolutely scummy. I find it extremely hard to believe everyone would've not accepted my money in the opposite case.

So basically it's OK for me to get freerolled because you guys had all of these "unwritten rules" that nobody knew about? That's not how the real world works.

I played rbk at 2-4 or 3-6 and there were some absolute massive swings. These were included in the thread.

I also find Dareyou2call arguing against me in this case absolutely hilarious.

RBK... I lost $ to $kill HU. I paid that out to you and sub.

Want thunder -1 for 500, last minute, game starting in next few mins

Also, bigpotpoker lost money vs $kill in big HU games. Nobody said a word about that and it's literally the exact situation I was in reversed. Where is everyone on their high horse not collecting from him? Obviously nowhere to be found. His money was instantly collected and dispersed equally. They played equal stakes to what $kill and I were playing.

I'm waiting for a well put together, reasonable argument where I'm wrong about anything in this dispute. I just feel like I'm one of the only sane people here a lot of the time.

lol......you called me out to start all this .....me and only me.....u never imed me or anything to say anything to me first ....u just put me on blast for going along with someone elses #s......and in my opinion i do think that your HU session is diff esp to someone like me who you all know only played 8 game and never played these high stakes HU matches......i dont wanna argue anymore......im obv still owed a large amount.....ive said my piece.....over and over........if someone disagrees thats fine and i respect that ...but i beleive my points are valid....

I mean you deserve to be called out. You begged me for part of the $kill Game money because you are busto and needed money to pay off a bookie. It doesn't surprise me that you're arguing against me. It also doesn't surprise me you type like an 8 year old mashing a keyboard.

The bigpotpoker thing really just proves my argument. I am getting freerolled 100% here. Bigpotpoker played in the exact same HU games and lost, but he was made to disperse his money equally. Give back that money and maybe you have some semblance of an argument.

Everyone keeps saying oh I didn't make the numbers, I just went along with it. Who actually made them then? People keep deflecting blame but nobody is here to take it. I'd love to hear some of the logic that went behind making these decisions, and why none of it was posted. It's apparently my fault for not re reading 5000 lines of bull**** in the Skype chat to see 50 lines of importance.

I'm open to unbiased 3rd party arbitration. It shouldn't be too hard to bring someone who's actually reputable up to speed on everything.

Hornets 1h +6 -106
Hornets +10 -107
Bobcats 1h +2 +106
Kings under 196.5
Nuggets -11

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It would be completely different if the person he beat had zero dollars to pay. He didn't, though. He had $5k to pay. CD won $10k from $kill and others won $13k from $kill. CD clearly should get 10/23rd of $5k AT MINIMUM if you want to take the stance you are taking.

I have quite a long post coming...

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both at PK 500$

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OK..1st of all, it is absolutely absurd for the inner dealings of 15-20 people to be aired out in public when we specifically set up a place to talk about this...there are hundreds of lurkers that do NOT need your guys business out in the open like this, like i said when there is specifically a place to go to handle these things.

That being said....et me start off by saying this, I routinely end up getting the short end of the stick, I offer to take the worst of it far more often than anyone ive ever seen ITT and i've been beat for as much as anyone in here over the past for year from scammers etc.

I am completely shocked over the $kill situation to be honest, however...i 100% believe he will make good on every cent owed...its just a ****ty situation, but everyone makes mistakes and I believe he is handling things the best that he can right now. Much different situation than tklemans, ezdonk,ajrees, limp etc. Furthermore, I do NOT play in homegames for a variety of reasons, one of them being the atrocious way you guys have set up the settling and bookkeeping. If I decide to play Chris heads up for infinite $ WTF SHOULD that have to do with anyone else...i HATE that all of the #s are mashed together to try and simplify things or because people are lazy or whatever the reason may be.

Trying to keep on track with the points I'm trying to make...I have literally 0 interest in who gets paid what from who, and how it all works out...what I do have is common sense that ive tried to repeatedly use to help you guys out in situations that arise. Brandon- You won 10k from $kill in a heads up session after he was already down 13k for the week...he did not have the 13k to pay out, so to call it anything other than you getting freerolled in that spot is just outrageous. Unfortunately thats what that was. You can't expect people that played 10-20 sessions previous to that and had all of these intermingled #'s from all of the sessions to be screwed over based on the fact that you won such a large amount which was in essence the nail in the coffin. If RBK was down 13k betting sports 500-1000 a game this week and i was willing to make a 10k bet with him on sunday night,and he lost and owed 23k and said well i have 6k, how could i possibly feel entitled to any of that $? I couldnt and I wouldnt. It was just be a terrible spot to be in, and I'd probably be pissed at myself for letting him make such a big bet. AND could you imagine if we all settled sports bets like you guys settle poker stuff...everyone thats betting nickels a game would look at me and be like wtf I dont bet 10k a game so why should i get punished for it.

We can speak on skype further about this...Since nobody else wants to stand up and speak up or whatever...i was not involved at all, however I thought the breakdown that was done was fair, with you keeping the 1500 bucks or w/e and being owed 10k from $kill and everyone else splitting based on %'s. I didnt think the other people that played in 8game ring games should have been punished or should have had to pay for that heads up session you had, right or wrong that was my opinion.

I roll balances all of the time, I like alot of you guys on personal levels...seeing the dunlap/rbk and cd/bpp/dare situations escalating bother me. I thought RBK's post about this situation that he made last night was one of his most clear and articulate post's that he has made in a while as he often appears to come off as an absolute lunatic

I dont know what history between dunlap/rbk was though and whatever game he was stuck 19k or w/e is a completely seperate issue from the issue at hand. Chris is one of the best people to work with deal with on a regular basis, so again, I see a trend here of the good guys all getting thrown into battle each other when other people do the wrong thing.

Last thing I wanna say for now is this...this is a public forum, people should really watch what they say in regards to other's personal situations that they were told in confidence etc, its comes off as childish, and there is no place for it here...as always i stand by everything i say 100% for anyone that would speak about any of this further just let me know....

Couldn't possibly agree more