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12-21-2007 , 05:14 AM

durrrr

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PokerStars $25/$50 No-Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

CO: $5200.00
Button: $6494.00
SB: $6327.00
BB: $6791.00
UTG: $14779.00
MP: $6508.00

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q

, Q

Hero raises to $150, MP folds, CO folds, Button calls $150, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: ($375.00) 3

, 6

, 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $300, Hero calls $300.

Turn: ($975.00) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $800, Hero calls $800.

River: ($2575.00) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $5244 (all in), Hero???

Final Pot: $13063.00

im not really sure how ike views me; and while i show up w/ nuttish hands a nonzero % of the time when i take this line;
1) the % i show up w/ them is small
2) he probably thinks its even lower than it is

btw is there any difference between qq and 78?

12-21-2007 , 05:25 AM

Khod

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Quote:

Originally Posted by durrrr

btw is there any difference between qq and 78?

Yes. 78 is sometimes a chop

12-21-2007 , 08:51 AM

recallme

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Can yopu explain why you played flop like you did? I can see betting here, but after his bet i think you have to c/r, given a that drawy board

12-21-2007 , 09:37 AM

JMa

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Quote:

Originally Posted by recallme

Can yopu explain why you played flop like you did? I can see betting here, but after his bet i think you have to c/r, given a that drawy board

he probably plays a6, A high and weaks hands like this some % of the time so he needs to balance that range up w/ a strong hand

12-21-2007 , 09:46 AM

jfish

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feels slightly too deep to c/r flop. c/c seems crazy, i feel like it narrows your range so much more than if you had bet and forces you to give up control of the hand. id also love if you could elaborate a bit more (if there is even a reason other than balance).

i think QQ and 87 are very close together on the river, but i do agree that 87 definitely has an equity edge because he can play a straight this way also. i dont expect him to 2x pot shove 2 pair hands here or anything less than a straight really.

given your line id probably call really quickly.

12-21-2007 , 11:10 AM

Apathy

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Theres a huge difference between 87 and QQ, ike could make this play super thin against you.

12-21-2007 , 11:38 AM

Requin

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If you give him credit for shoving straight like this then I can't imagine eliminating a set from his range, it's not like you ever have one (except unlikely TT) or a straight

At least, I think Ike will somtimes give you credit for a hand like you have but never a set.

12-21-2007 , 11:59 AM

yaaam1484

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Quote:

Originally Posted by durrrr

btw is there any difference between qq and 78?

There is. Why? Because you're not sure.

12-21-2007 , 12:03 PM

cts

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ofc fold now but against him id just never consider checking the flop

12-21-2007 , 03:48 PM

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KRANTZ

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folddddd

12-21-2007 , 03:56 PM

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raptor517

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u click call more than anyone in the world, ike knows this, and is gonna bet betting kinda thin vs u. u should fold here all day imo.

12-22-2007 , 02:51 PM

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praios

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i bet flop as played you shuld fold

12-22-2007 , 03:14 PM

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cstone

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i probably bet/3b the flop but then again i don't play this high and subsequently idont know much about ike. from what i've read if he knows you call a lot a bet/3b seems like a good way from preventing him from bluffing you off of the hand since he thinks you're more than likely to call, even light. in doing so your hand is basically face up but at least you'll know that he knows it's face up and can act accordingly on further streets.

12-22-2007 , 03:48 PM

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AceCR9

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raptor517

u click call more than anyone in the world, ike knows this, and is gonna bet betting kinda thin vs u. u should fold here all day imo.

in your opinion- vs Durrr what kind of hands would ike be VB'ing thin here?

12-22-2007 , 04:44 PM

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ike

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AceCR9

in your opinion- vs Durrr what kind of hands would ike be VB'ing thin here?

not saying whether or not this is true, but i think he means to imply as little as AA.

12-22-2007 , 06:22 PM

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jfish

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why would you 2x shove 1 pair? do you really think durrr calls with worse enough?

12-22-2007 , 06:24 PM

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Ship Ship McGipp

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfish

why would you 2x shove 1 pair? do you really think durrr calls with worse enough?

he prolly doesn't think durrr has better enough

12-22-2007 , 06:26 PM

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jfish

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ya but why not a psb instead, itll get called heaps more.

12-22-2007 , 06:42 PM

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spino1i

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I think this is a turbo-muck.. I mean really what are you beating here? A 9? Every draw got there and there's an overcard on the board to boot! He could be bluffing with the best hand. Not to mention he makes a giant overbet. I muck without much thought here.

12-22-2007 , 06:56 PM

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creedofhubris

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfish

ya but why not a psb instead, itll get called heaps more.

2x more?

12-22-2007 , 11:20 PM

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lkjhgfdsa

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Originally Posted by spino1i

how did u get 2,5k posts?

12-23-2007 , 12:37 AM

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MagicNinja

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lol if i am ike here i can def have AA KTs etc. 78 is a snap call. I would fold QQ here because everyone knows you're a huge call box which is why 78 is so easy a call, ike is obv shoving less for value.

12-23-2007 , 03:09 AM

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durrrr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raptor517

u click call more than anyone in the world, ike knows this, and is gonna bet betting kinda thin vs u. u should fold here all day imo.

i think this is pretty wrong; i called riv w/ KK and i regret it a bit now. He had a flush fwiw. I think he is almost never vbing worse.

12-23-2007 , 04:02 AM

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MagicNinja

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i have no idea why you think KK = QQ. Is it from the bet size? because the size of the bet feels pretty arbitary to me in ikes shoes..

12-23-2007 , 05:35 AM

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durrrr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicNinja

i have no idea why you think KK = QQ. Is it from the bet size? because the size of the bet feels pretty arbitary to me in ikes shoes..

the hand was vs ike... not you

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