friendship

Go, get, checked.

Rob are you still awake? i think im getting sick, bring me that zycam **** NOW!

boosted,

i'm glad to see you share a similar opinion as me. you are absolutely right that some true fish will use CardRunners or read books or ask hand advice, most won't, but i'll concede some will.

aejones,
if you're interested in getting into a cardrunners 2009 wsop marketing strategy discussion i'd consider it in a non public forum.

charder,
good points.

all,
sry for the rant. i was obviously a little frustrated after playing for 24 hrs and having nothing to show for it. gl to whomever is still in

Can you go on a mini rant about this? I'm kinda going "eh, I don't think so" without really knowing what you mean.

To the extent that these things can be determined with any degree of accuracy, and tournaments are so dumb that they cannot, the bet would involve the top 10 tournament players among cash game players versus the top 10 tournament specialists (which is different than what Goggles said), and that's very close IMO -- the edge probably goes to whichever group gets Ivey.

Edit: Yeah, I also totally disagree with what Ike wrote about 30 BB stacks.

Cash players get Ivey but we get Menlo!

Taylor, this is insane. Like, actually crazy. G-chat me sometime, I'll definitely do this.

i don't even mind the online people who just bitch about live, just means they'll never start thinking about how bad they play.

i played with a guy on day 1 who was ~35yo, from texas, and only played live. he probably wasn't super fundamentally sound, but he was logical, aggressive, and had a good idea of when people had wide ranges and when they didn't. he K-high'd me on my 1/3 pot river bluff and was good. i'm pretty sure ppl like this run circles around the small-mid level online MTT guy who got staked and cbet/give-ups every hand and is scared $.

small-mid level online MTT? who knows/cares. online cash players were being discussed, correct?
I don't disagree that tournaments should be played a bit differently, but I disagree that good online cash players are gonna suck at them. Someone (taylor caby I think) mentionned "bluffing stacks off" and "getting it in preflop with AK 100bb deep when the donkey happened to have AA" - those sound like things an idiot would complain about, not an actual good online player.

most players at the wsop me are just really bad. you would not believe some of the hands i saw on day 1. i hope nobody is seriously questioning whether it's +ev or not for a strong cash game player to enter the ME.

and im not saying that being a better player gives anyone the right to act cocky or make fun of people at the table. of course it's not the case and i feel that everybody, especially bad players, should be treated with respect at the poker table. away from the table though i see nothing wrong with making fun of the live players

i might not have been clear about what i meant. i'm talking about online guys who have played no or very few live tournaments. not the menlos, benefields, ike's, etc. of the world who i would consider cash players that just happen to play and do well in tournaments. i'm talking about the typical "online player" that i was ranting like a monkey about.

i would take the zeejustin's, charder's, timex's of the world against the great online cash players who do not have a lot of tournament experience but think they are so massively +EV in the main event. make no mistake about it, they are +ev, but i think not as much as the aforementioned types.

ok, i agree with this. i can't count how many times i've seen people who win at 10/20+ online just hand their stacks to old guys who obviously had AA or just end up raise/folding off their whole stack because they refuse to ever not open T7s.

FWF,

Would you crossbook yourself vs Hellmuth in the main event of the WSOP?

Hellmuth seems like the perfect person, because he is
1. an idiot
2. completely delusional
3. terrible at poker
4. has a much higher ROI in the WSOP ME than you or pretty much anyone in this thread.

You are actually crazy if you think you are going to form any sort of squad with a significant edge over this 10 person "tournament" team in the WSOP ME. You are talking in your post as if you are printing money vs dumb tilted Green Plastic.

Phil Hellmuth, Isaac Baron, Justin Bonomo, Barry Greenstein, Daniel Negreneau, Allen Cunningham, Steve Sung, David Pham, John Juanda, Elky.

P.S. Despite being right about tournament players, and douchebag poker players in general, if i was the creator of cardrunners i'd just stfu and realize i sold my poker complaining soul/right for riches long ago.

blah this is ******ed i can't believe i have spent 5 minutes reading and 10 minutes responding to this junk.

although i did learn i shouldn't always open T7s utg in a tournament!

Educated another fish guys... well done.

wp

barry is more cash than tourneys imo

main event was my first live tournament, i definitely think the "experience" factor from online to live is overrated

hey guys, anyway to increase your withdrawl limit on FT?

who has done this?

UFC 100 tonight!

Anyone want to gamble?

I like: Lesnar, Hendo, GSP, O'Brien, Bonnar, and Belcher for varying amounts. Pm me or post in the Sports discussion thread.

come on, it's hardly insane or crazy. the difference in EV in the main event between 10 cash specialists and 10 tourney specialists is negligible and, more pertinently, such high variance that neither side of the bet will have a real edge


edit: also just read taylor's rant on the previous page, altho not his blog post. lol @ thinking that you aren't educating the "real fish". i had rich business owner dudes in their 40s at my 2K event table advising one another to use cardrunners. i literally said "wow" when i saw all the 50-60 ft tall cardrunner banners **** lining the entrance and hallways of the rio. absolutely sick business idea, but i think i speak for any poker player when i say "**** you".

lol, JC just texted me that a guy with 50k open folded aces on the bubble at his table

Brian just was making a joke that he's going to secret screen name Jay and rock him because he'll know his game so well.

see it on the flipside too.

Lets take a rich business man, he thinks he sucks at poker but he enjoys himself every once in a while, plays a bunch of tourneys in vegas in the summer etc. Sometimes a bit more, and other times he has better **** to do. But hes whise enough to stay out of the cash games most of the times. Now he sees cardrunners, watches some videos, and actually thinks he has an edge, or at least thinks hes better then he actually is (Iv witnessed this behaviour alot lol). Wow lets deposit 20k$ and try out some of those 10/20NL and 25/50 games on full tilt! you see where Im going?
I think you guys need to stop bitching about this, if your a good winning high stakes player, its not like your edge is gonna be destroyed or even reduced alot. The only pple who are gonna notice this are the dumb ass 2/4 bumhunters, who now suddenly have trouble beating fish!

on ftp HU in a 3b pot my buttons all vanished on the turn and my hand was insta c/f.

****ing software update.