i think i said this but less successfully

some of this i agree with a lot i do not. Regardless of that, you have to factor in that a vote for Mccain is a possible vote for a Palin presidency and that is a pretty scary possibility.

i also would like to say that although i disagree on politics with you...pretty much everything else you say is basically gold imo.

dont be stupid

wow u market chuds could have made a killing in the market today with the super sick inside knowledge that obama won the election.

also, sarah palin DIDNT KNOW AFRICA WAS A CONTINENT. and she didnt know WHAT COUNTRIES MADE UP NAFTA.

nyc i think u may be the one brainwashed by the maverick. less foxnews, limbaugh, and sean hannity for you would be my advice.

what continent is NAFTA again

*awaiting nycballers anaylsis of rolling stone article*

level? if not, take an economics class

every single person who over the last 3 weeks kept saying an event "was priced in" then that event happened and the market took a significant turn either up or down, i could list u tons of examples but i doubt u've heard of any of them. u don't follow the market u don't know what ur talking about[/QUOTE]

lol yes bc correlation equals causation.

argentina, the sunshine state.

I thought NAFTA was the group of old dudes who bang young boys

last thing ballerrrrr- the s&p 500 went up 18% in the week leading up to the election when it was evident obama was gonna win the election. do you think that the markets just didnt account for it?, i would love to hear your explanation of this one.

my economics class tells me raising taxes during a recession will make things worse. obv obama being elected wasn't that big of a factor that drove the market down, news on jobs and factory orders was but it'd be hard to argue that uncertainty over his tax plan didn't have an impact. if mccain was elected market would've been down much less, thats a fact

ill repeat: u don't have a clue what ur talking about when it comes to the markets and u've proven that with ur responses

i prolly hate hannity more than u haha. he is the worst of the worst of the partisan hacks

just lol, this statement cements ur complete ignorance of the current market and im not gonna even bother responding anymore to u

i think that fact that you are tying to comment on how obama will affect the economy before he even gets in office is pretty LOL.
i mean i understand that you are ideologically dogmatic and unwilling to keep an open mind until he has a chance to implement his policies, but saying all that outloud rather then trying desperately to conceal that fact makes you look even sillier then denying the usefulness of math.

i was scared of it than most obama supporters i promise u. i just think mccain was a once in a lifetime kind of politician who talked straight and put politics aside when it came down it and i was willing to chance it on palin, basically everything lieberman said in his speech at the convention were my exact reasons for voting for him. i also think obama is a once in a lifetime politician for different reasons but in hoping that mccain would win i was also hoping obama would run and win 2012.

i came close to voting for obama because right now the economy outweighs everything else and u want an extremely smart person running things in such a dire time, mccain would be just be listening to advisors on the economy where i imagine obama would be able to learn whats going on and make a decision. HOWEVER, obama raising taxes would be worse for the economy than basically anything mccain could even fathom doing. and in the end that decided it for me, had obama said he wouldn't raise any taxes until we are out of recession he wouldve had my vote.

my opinion is based on this simple fact: raising taxes during recession creates a much deeper recession(see japan in the 1990s). people don't understand how we could be in for years and years of a flat or lower market if we **** things up. raising taxes would fk things up. the situation right now is EXTREMELY fragile

u are acting as if im arguing against an obama presidency as a whole. i'm not, but one thing he wants to do will sink us if he does it. there's no point in trying to tell me how good obama will be, the only argument is whether or not higher taxes will completely fk us

But he's not raising taxes for most people. I do agree that raising taxes on businesses during recession hurts, but lowering them for 95% of working Americans should increase their spending and stimulate the economy. I do realize that the additional taxing on businesses probably outweighs that, though. Any thoughts on this?

And just to add, as a top 5% earner I will not be changing spending at all because of a bit more taxes, and I'd assume the same for most, so that shouldn't really come into play, just the extra taxing on businesses, and I know that Obama has something in his plan to give small businesses breaks but I'm not sure for big businesses and expect that there isn't anything helping them.

u keep saying i dont have a clue, dont you think its a little intellectually dishonest to point to a 500 point drop today as due to the results and ignore an 18% increase in the last week when it was over 90-95% that obama would win election? u dont think theres any inherent discrepancy between blaming obama for today and not crediting him for the last week? or do you want to claim the market didnt anticipate an obama win? i just really dont get what your trying to say.

MN post is keeping this thread above 1 star

raising taxes on business will mean all the foreign investment will go elsewhere and no foreign companies will want to set up shop in US, people don't understand how important this is. S&P earnings forecasts for next year are already dire. increasing business taxes right now is like putting out a forest fire with gasoline, it only will make things worse

he also wants to raise the capital gains tax. higher taxes on market gains=people invest less

as for what he wants to do with the income tax, this is my own logic i could easily be wrong on this but i would imagine taking money away from the people most willing and able to invest in business is not the best idea. the biggest problems are with capital gains and corporate tax from what i understand

freemoney, i got u on ignore now dog don't bother to keep posting

u didnt sell back your econ100 textbook??

can you guys stop talking about this **** you're making me more bored during class than if i was actually paying attention

sry, here u go

why do u hate black people?

there we go that's what i like to see. lambos have always been my 'dream' car since i was a kid, but at this point i think i would only get one if i could easily afford it. i used to want to like work my ass off and save up $200k and immediately buy a lambo. diablos got me hooked. just from their site the murcielago lp640 and the superleggera are seriously giving me a hard on. just curious, you get that solely from poker money? just save up a ton and spend half your roll on one or what?