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10-02-2013 , 02:49 PM

#876

charder30

formerly known as zj123

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 27,426

Is there a way to recover deleted PMs? I bet on Jungleman in 2010 through PM and deleted them by accident, wondering if I can recover them.

10-07-2013 , 02:31 PM

#877

badbeatfeva

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 150

What's the latest with the arbitration bets??

10-08-2013 , 11:30 AM

#878

Divided By Zero

grinder

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 597

all void due to the gov shutdown being an act of god obv

10-08-2013 , 10:12 PM

#879

Next Level

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 644

Im assuming somebody (ZJ, viff) will come in here and tell us the results? I hope so

10-09-2013 , 08:05 PM

#880

boobies4me

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,233

from what I can tell the money was never even verified to be escrowed on viffers side, but no real surprises there

10-10-2013 , 09:54 PM

#881

badbeatfeva

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 150

brutal

10-12-2013 , 06:39 PM

#882

Next Level

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 644

Quote:

Originally Posted by boobies4me

from what I can tell the money was never even verified to be escrowed on viffers side, but no real surprises there

I hope this isn't true. As much as viff was talking about putting his money where his mouth is, bet me on it, ect ect.

I wouldn't be too surprised tho. At the very minimum I know they had a blackout clause so somebody won. Either that or the bet is ongoing

10-12-2013 , 06:59 PM

#883

Fordham

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,913

typically when people don't feel like they legitimately lost, they don't pay, specifically when they don't escrow.

If someone can rationalize not paying in their own mind, than its very likely they will do it.
ive seen so many people play against each other in basketball for each other's basketball and then the guy that loses, complain about the other guy fouling him too much and therefore cheating and not pay up.

now think about how viffer is talking and being so firm in his decision. It takes for ever for someone to admit they are wrong, so to think they will pay up a bet for significant money is just not going to happen

The sad thing is its not 2009 anymore in the poker world. you cant pay up big amounts and just grind the hs online games and win it back so easy. Games are tough so people like viffer are starting to realize the value of money and how easy not pay up on a debt really is.

if I had to bet, regardless of what happens viffer is not paying up what he owes, EVER. whether 50k hands are played or not.

And if I could parlay on the not paying bet, I would bet that there will be ABSOLUTELY NO recourse or actions taken against viffer EVER.
except for some 2p2 rumblings which isn't much.

10-12-2013 , 07:10 PM

#884

viffer

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,531

Feed the trolls,

We are looking for arbitrators, actually mediators, Its hard to schedule them.
The great thing about this is we both think we are right, and we both are stuborn, so it will happen.

10-12-2013 , 07:42 PM

#885

Fordham

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,913

I recommend escrowing some money before the arbitrators are decided. at the very least both parties can be incentivized to want to find a mediator and avoid either party just walking away.

by the way viffer if they do end up finishing the 50k hands do you feel you are responsible for the crossbook $ durrr loses between the restart and it being completed including this past losing session from durrr?

10-14-2013 , 05:56 PM

#886

Dexter_Cain

adept

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,135

Quote:

Originally Posted by viffer

Feed the trolls,

We are looking for arbitrators, actually mediators, Its hard to schedule them.
The great thing about this is we both think we are right, and we both are stuborn, so it will happen.

Are you saying that you've escrowed the money for the ZJ bet or not?

10-19-2013 , 05:01 PM

#887

Pakichu777

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 480

why didn't they just go to a consultancy firm, like mckinsey

they're impartial and routinely solve much harder problems than this one, it'll cost
a decent amount of money but if all bettors take an equal share compared to the wager
they placed it'd work out to a small % for each person

10-19-2013 , 09:46 PM

#888

JPB383

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 5,728

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pakichu777

You're going to go to a MANAGEMENT CONSULTING firm to deal with a poker wager? Stupid.

10-20-2013 , 01:13 AM

#889

chrisgardner

journeyman

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 284

lets see some hands!!!!

10-20-2013 , 08:11 AM

#890

Extreme Ways

adept

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 883

WE WANT HANDS

10-20-2013 , 08:36 AM

#891

jungleman

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,044

join the club

10-20-2013 , 09:08 AM

#892

CliffLee

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,005

Quote:

Originally Posted by jungleman

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lol. I thought durrr was obligated to play or he would have to pay a fine?

10-20-2013 , 09:26 AM

#893

epcfast

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,535

Do you know how long you have to clean macau toilets or be a six tabling busboy for to get a stake?

10-21-2013 , 02:04 AM

#894

jungleman

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,044

Quote:

Originally Posted by CliffLee

lol. I thought durrr was obligated to play or he would have to pay a fine?

correct

10-21-2013 , 02:55 AM

#895

chrisgardner

journeyman

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 284

Quote:

Originally Posted by jungleman

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We know its not you Dan .. Any word from TOM at all on October or radio silence? We all feel for you..

Also - Whatsup with Scott Palmer ? Is he gonna be grinding online again after he gets ftp funds?

10-27-2013 , 04:03 AM

#896

Nobel1

grinder

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 666

Any chance we see some hands in the last days of October?

10-27-2013 , 07:00 AM

#897

elbuerro

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 380

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nobel1

Any chance we see some hands in the last days of October?

tom has to be busto, otherwise he would never ruin his reputation like that and just pay the rainman

10-29-2013 , 07:38 AM

#898

snapehead

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 470

durrrrr busto!!!!!!

10-29-2013 , 01:02 PM

#899

Two SHAE

Decentralized Financier

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2,242

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisgardner

He's been playing 10/20plo on stars recently

10-29-2013 , 04:33 PM

#900

cheehc

enthusiast

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by jungleman

Here is the agreement Tom and I have come to regarding the durrrr challenge (finally):

The agreement: Starting September 1st, 2013, Dan and Tom agree to make themselves available to play at least 8,000 hands every two month period (September + October 2013 is the first period, November + December 2013 is the 2nd period, and so on).

Requirements to fulfill this agreement: At a minimum, this should mean being out of the US and available to play for 14 days out of every 2 month period. If you do not make it known you are out of the country, or are unwilling to play during these days, then they do not count. The arbitrators will be responsible for judging what counts as "available to play". No penalty will likely be given for 12 days out of the country with 24 hour a day availability and impeccable communication, but a penalty might be given for a 20 day period out of the country during which the player is unable to be reached or is online playing other people and avoiding the other member of the challenge.

Penalties: Each two month period where the arbitrators determine a player is not fulfilling this agreement he will be subject to a penalty. The base penalty is $40k per period. Added to this will be 10k for each subsequent offense. Penalties do not affect the challenge total and will be paid on the side (immediately).

Example: 6 months of hiding will lead to penalties of $40k then $50k then $60k ($150k total).

Half Penalty: If a player is available to play for 7-13 days in a 2 month period, his penalty for that period will be divided in half.

Example: 4 months of hiding followed by 2 months where the player is available for about 10 days will lead to penalties of $40k, $50k and then $30k ($120k total).

If 4,000 - 7,999 hands are played, a half penalty will be the maximum penalty. No penalty will ever be given if 8,000+ hands are played in a period.

Exceptions: Extenuating circumstances that a player is not responsible for might be forgiven. If the player is in a coma for example, he will be excused from any penalties. This is only meant to be applied in extreme situations. Not prioritizing the challenge highly when you have control over the decision is not ok.

Remember, the arbitrators will ultimately be choosing who pays the penalty and whether it's a full or half penalty. As such, I HIGHLY recommend communicating constantly with ALL FOUR PARTIES to make it clear that you are available to play and fulfilling your minimum requirements. There has been a text message group created with the players and the moderators, so please use this as much as possible. Tom has stated that email is not the best way to reach him, so let's use texts as much as possible for his benefit.

Soooo... I don't think 8000 hands were played between Jungle and Dwan in the September+October Period. Does this mean Dwan has to pay $40k?

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