if you trust viffer and something bad happens it's social darwinism.

any intelligent person can just see him waddling through the aria with a dead look on his face and it's pretty obv he's a scumbag. if not within 5s of him opening his mouth, you'll get plenty of signals to stay away.

LOLINTERNETTOUGHGUYSWITHNOCLUE

The bet is between them. It's over now. They will come back and tell us the results. Some of you guys attacking viffer sound less edumacated then he does. Chill.

Unpossible...

File your FTP claim:

https://secure.gcginc.com/PKR/Login.aspx

I don't think most people care whether viffer can spell or not. After reading these posts I couldn't imagine anyone making a bet with him. I am surprised that no one has had any problems regarding wagers made with him in the past, although I am very glad to hear that no one has though.
I wasn't a fan of viffer threatening zeejustin. If anyone was to be smacked, it most certainly wouldn't be Justin.

From FTP petition for remission:

"I certify that I have not recovered any portion of my monetary loss from any other sources, or, if recovered, such recovery has been accounted for in the calculation of my loss, or provided by me if it was not.
Under penalty of perjury, I affirm that the loss information contained in this Petition is true, correct, and complete."

How does this affect those who sold their funds?

thank you for this

filed my petition, they got my account balance right to the tee... was impressed

fingers crossed

thoughts of posting my text exchange with viffer? Not sure if necessary atm, but took the screenshots just in case

I'm not a lawyer, this isn't legal advice, etc, but I'm pretty sure you're fine. You didn't recover any of your loss. You insured it or made a bet about it or whatever.

well said

Very interesting situation regarding jungle/durrrr wagers from 3rd parties


Around seven weeks before royal ascot 2010 me and my buddy had a word about a handicap coup in the making and set about obtaining the best prices around.

Three weeks pass and we are sitting there with a great position as we were on at 16/1 and the horse was trading at 8's it was a great feeling because the mug money was piling on the closer we got to the event , five days before the race the horse is 6/1 clear fav but on the saturday (4 days til the off) the horse starts to take a walk in the market 13/2, 7/1 , 8/1 ,17/2 and i was like wtf!!! This wouldn't be a problem in a market with low liquidity liek a class 6 race at kempton where £100 moves the market on the reg but this was a strong market and i start to worry so i jump on the exchanges and the horse can be layed @ 10.5 (9.5/1) the alarm bells start to ring.


I couldn't reach the trainers assistant by phone and started to panic a little, finally i got hold of him on sunday morning @6:45 AM and the blood drained from my face as i was told the horse had to miss a vital piece of work due to a knock while setting out saturday morning by the time i put the phone down and spoke to my buddy fired up betfair - the horses price on the exchanges was 14.0 (13/1) and to add insult to injury my balance wasn't high enough to cover mine and my buddies liabilities (£2,650) and laying off for a green book was out of reach due having only a 24,000 balance at that time.


moral of the story whilst viffer makes a fair point about his horse not being in top shape sometimes you just gotta get out of a ****ty situation the best way possible.

for the match bet both sides have a valid point , viffer is simple wanting some time for tom to be at the top of his game while the other side ( reasonably imo) believe there is only so much leeway one can be given.

Viffer is not coming across scummy in this situation in my eyes but i certainly think he should be using his time more productively , if i was jungle i would push for 95% also and im sure if viff was honest he would do the same?(who the hell wouldn't?) if i was viff i would put forward 78% buyout BUT being impartial i think 86-88%% is fair to all....depending on negotiations about the future of the challenge.

I don't deal in the figures you gents do but arguing your side in public is a pretty bad way to deal with things.

Life is way too short to wait for this challenge to finish in its current state, the judges need to step up or its likely it will become a wash and if that does happen viffer has done himself no favors in his posts here compared to being silent on the matter.


Although viff you do deserve to lose on the bets for backing a G2 runner against G1 runner

I escrowed 50K with ben lamb since he was most reputable guy around. wel will ask pinnicle based on justins rules set already and see who wins, please let me know who you escrowed with?

Everyone can say what they want, doesnt bother me me, but if you think im so bad, the best way to hurt me is take my money, I am willing to take alot more action. As you have said some of the biggest gamblers have stepped in here and told me how wrong i am, usually when gamblers think they are right they put there money on it?


Kanu?
LucidDream?
Nlsoldier?
Cheet?
FWF?
AceCR9?
ansky?

Justin set fair terms and we are irioning out details. This will probally take 2 weeks.

JUstin for the record, no hard feelings, and i respect you for putting your money where your mouth is.

If the rest arent willing to kinda says alot about what they really believe.


I have never lost a bet and havent paid. I dont owe anyone money, well noone that is worried about it, and have stellar credit in gambling world.

I saw this probalem coming and wanted to handle it before it got to late, thats the honorable thing to do. I have had this discussion with people before Fulltilt even reopened, tried to settle my bets, people were unreasonable in my mind and when it looked as if things were going to started again i thought it was time to make things public so all knew my thoughts.


So insult me all you want, but please do it with your wallet
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Windows WIDE OPEN.

Not asking pinnacle for obvious reasons, we can bet on what arbitrators or absolutely anyone who does not abide by ridiculous rules says. In addition, you absolutely owe the bet because you texted me saying we have action. If you don't want to start being a real person I have nothing else to say to you. We can bet on what justin's rules say

Viffer, your logic is faulty. Just because noone wants to bet with you, doesn't mean you're right. It just means that they don't want to bet with you.

Good luck to you and ZJ though, brave mans itt

Exactly

Hey viffer, i don't know you but from what I have seen of you in this thread I wouldn't consider betting with you on anything without an escrow. That being said, you seem so confident and desperate for more action on this despite overwhelming opinion against you that you have got me worried that you have some sort of information or angle that is going to make you win this bet. I'm intrigued as to the outcome of the bet with ZJ and it seems extremely clear to me that you are in the wrong but I won't be betting with you even with an escrow because I just can't believe someone could be crazy enough to be wanting to take as much action on this as you do without having something that everyone else doesn't know about which makes you a lot more likely to win the bet. I have no idea what that could be but I'll look forward to finding out when I see the results of the bet with ZJ. Maybe you are just crazy and I am throwing away free money but tbh if you are that crazy I think I would feel bad taking your money lol. Fwiw I have nothing against you except that it appears to me that you are trying to squirm your way out of your bet with jungle. If it turns out that I am wrong about that then you have my apology in advance.

Does anyone know what to do if your FTP balance is incorrect due to having tried to withdraw, and not received, a significant amount?

Wait, so this unedumacared guy is hustling you by making up ******ed reasons to not pay his debt. And you guys want to make a new bet with him about the current bet that he is not paying. Even when you win you still lose.

You said if i escrowed we had a bet?

Now your trying to get out of it since you have found out its impossible for you to win?

If you were loosing to durr what excuses would you come up with not to have bet?

Pinnicle obiding by ridiculas rules?

And im the one angling?

Of course pinny would call this no action, but im sure you talked to you friends about it before you posted we had a bet.

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You seem like a cool guy, i accept your apology.

Kanu, if you couldnt play online for 2 years would you feel like you could come back and play the top players in two years? Im confadent i shouldnt have to bet on a guy that had his right to play online taken away.

And the reason i want to bet so much, well, thats what i do, i raise.

lol wtf i can't believe i just read all this nonsense. in hindsight it was pretty dumb of me to assume that people would stay on topic, and to assume that durrrrr or jungleman might feature in this idiotic tale.

i asked two of the leading bookmakers in the UK what their stance would be if a game was cancelled due to an 'act of god' (like weather)

Both bookmakers gave the same response, "assuming the game is played within a 24 hour time frame (from when it was cancelled), the bet still stands. Anything past that all bets will be cancelled"

the answer was in relation to a game of football/baseball/basketball etc. i think this situation is obviously a lot different because of the time frame it was going to take to complete the durrrr challenge in any case. If bookmakers are willing to wait up to 24 hours before calling bets off in games which usually take a couple of hours to complete, how long would they wait to see if there was a way the durrrr challenge could be completed?

my guess would be that if all of the information was relayed to a few bookmakers they would all answer differently, most interesting thing would be finding out what time frame they would say bets would officially be called off... (if at all)

For the 1000th time, that isn't what happened.

good posts