You really arent the brightest when it comes to knowing the definitions of words are you?

Urban Dictionary definition: "Backing off from a prearranged 50/50 gamble, a "flip", in an unfair way upon realizing that your chance of winning the flip is below 50%.

Or essentially backing off from a prearranged set amount of hands. Obviously the prearranged set amount of hands is 1 as Mark stated over and over. 100% not grimming

No, I guess I'm not. I ought to spend more time reading urban dictionary.

The definition you provided would not apply. There is no flip. Folding 23o in the bb where both parties agreed to flip would be more applicable.

There is no arrangement or set amount of hands to be played. The amount of hands is infinite, as long as mrcash has the advantage. It's grimming.

I'm not going to keep explaining. Best of luck.

Because your absolutely dead wrong. Face the music. Man I cant believe how stubborn you ego maniacs are.

Let me ask you this... if you played 51 hands with someone and got 25 btns and he got 26 would you say its grimming? Very similar in theory? My guess is you wouldnt.

Edit: Thats pretty much the only definition of grimming. I think its applicable, you however do not which is fine because it just goes to prove my point even more if you are disagreeing with the actual definition of grimming

the definition on urbandictionary is wrong. the word "grimming" came about because a player called grimstarr would go around from table to table, play a button, and then leave. thus, the actual definition of "grimming" is "to play one's button at the beginning of the match and then immediately impede further play." and this is exactly what OP is doing.

whether or not you inform the individual ahead of time bears no relevance on whether it's grimming or not. whether or not the individual knows he's going to get grimmed bears no relevance on whether it's grimming or not.

JnyC is right. you are wrong.

Cool story bro

And besides, if you continuously sat in a game where you 100% know you arent getting your button, that just makes you a moron and trying to say you were grimmed is to hide the fact that your clearly ignorant

you are right, it does make you a moron, but it doesn't change the fact that you are getting grimmed. and that's what happens to be the crux of the argument.

JnyC do you even lift bro ?

To each of their own I guess. Im not one to make excuses for my stupidity, apparently others are

it seems as tho there is some disagreement over whether "grimming" is an objective description of simply playing one hand (on the button), or whether it contains an inherently negative moral judgement.

can one "grim" with no malicious intent and no moral/ethical violation or is that word only applied when there is a violation of the communal ethical code?

so for instance lets say someone joins a HUNL table and they randomly are assigned the button. on the very first hand they get felted and bust their account so they have to quit.
are they considered to have grimmed?

or is it only grimming when the person doing so gains some advantage?
and if so how big of an advantage must be gained in order to qualify?
and what if no advantage is gained but there is a very small loss?
if i play my button but fold to a 3bet preflop i have lost $$$ but if i quit i would imagine the other person would still feel slighted that they didn't get their button and since i have $$$ left i am choosing to quit of my own volition.
so if on the one hand getting felted the 1st hand is justification to quit but losing 3bb isn't, what is the minimum loss one can incur to not be considered a "grimmer"?

i realize most of these questions are not relevant to the matter at hand, but i'm curious.
esp as it seems breakyaneck clearly considers "grimming" not to be an objective adjective but rather a value judgement and others seem to consider it an objective description regardless of outcome or intent.

its seems to me that if 2 people agree to flip one hand and then quit, no one would say that the person who got the button "grimmed". therefore it seems that you can't just say "grimming" is defined as playing one hand on the button and quitting.

LEfort- sure ill pm you and we set it up possibly, most likely we can give it a go. I play mostly anyone.

BReakyaneck- i appreciate someone in here is on my side and i thankyou for that, i might be"grimming" by its definition but imo its a force grim, the guy is MAKING me grim him, to get a table, or i cant play poker while hes online. The man CLEARLY knows i dont want to play him, yet he is such a skumbag and wont stop sitting me, so he sits knowing he can play 1 hand matches, sick edge he got there! Although, i must say he has stopped recently.

JnyC- what you describe is your opinion, and i know you like to play deep only, but you cant get mad at a shortstack coming to your table with 600 and say you can button him and quit just cuz you dont like playing a short. thats out of line, what is your excuse for that?However, if the 600 guy KNOWS you will just sitout, then hes just a complete idiot sitting knowing he will get grimmed, like the guy i had my issue with.

nutsinho- the situation you described was what...? 4 yrs ago? 5? I never said it in the chatbox, i just strongly implied it. I remember it pretty clear actually, this was when i was on a big heater on stars and if he was your standard fish, i would have sat in and played like i always would do at that time. BUt this time was different, i knew this guy and he was on the verge of killing himself and signed off aim/skype and everything. He was in general a paranoid person thinking world was out to get him, times were tough and he was on the edge. He had 60k or so on the game i believe, when he had $300 in his bank account I had to do whatever i could to get the guy off the table, im not saying what i did was right- but i did have a good reason and i did apoligise right after u called me out on it yrs ago.

riverboat- care to tell me your screename?
Also to answer your questions: No if someone busts their account they obviously didnt grim you, or even if they had $$ in their account and they leave, that is completely called for, however if they had won a large pot, they should at least play 1 more hand.
Grimming is indeed bad only when you do it like grimstarr did and clearly look to start a table and get as many free hands as possible or intention to play 1 hand and quit over and over.

There should be no minimum loss lol to be a grimmer ur being crazy.

Practice reading comprehension.

You're small!

What are you idiots crying over? You have poker, hopefully women as well you are all my children. Be fruitful and multiply you fing donktard rednecks for me.

POTY^

when you know you are wrong- you make a post like this people

Funny thread, cant believe the amount of non-trolling that is going on. We've been through all of this in the LHE forum, let me help you out:

-no, he is not going to play any HU challenges, a lot have been offered, very little have happend
-the ones that did happen lasted ~1 to 7 hands after which mrcash would sit out and either talk **** about how bad the other person is, demand them to show 100% of hands that dont go to showdown or simply state that "the game's gotten bad" and leave
-yes, he is that bad

It was in exactly June 2010. Everything you said was in the chatbox, and it was in no way implied or subtle. You are making up the rest of this story- you never said any of this at the time (only that he was a 'friend') or offered any sort of apology. You even admitted that you didn't actually know the guy IRL. He would have had maximum 20k in the game and I would lay great odds that you were not aware of his financial situation. The result of your pathological tirade was that he decided to give molswi HU action at the same stakes, which you made no effort to 'protect' him from.

I remember MrCash2006 or we his name was sat at a 3/6 game on stars once. I was hu vs a fish and he was trying to convince the fish that I was cheating.

I remember him, he was sooo swingy it was ridiculous. Also acted 12.

mrcash has been a scumbag for years. nothing new here. he loves to grim and steal blinds. he'll even leave smiley faces in the chatbox for you to see if he succeeded.

To the last 4 posters i must say you are right mostly. I can never make it right, i cant give an exact reason for how i acted from 06-11 on pokerstars. I have no excuse, I have been a very poor sport, i had emotional issues and i just took my anger out on people that i shouldnt of. I just hated losing. I am embarrassed by it. Its too bad that my degenerate ways will follow me forever, and i wanna play poker forever i love the game and getting better. I tried my hardest to calm down and be fine, and i bet 1 person on merge for the past 8 months can say i swore or threatened someone in a chatbox. I see myself i made an improvement, all i do now which i try to keep minimal is whine, i very rarely berate people too nowadays. EVer since i got called out 8 months agoish i admitted i was a f up. I Dunno why im even writing this, i could easily dissapear and made new names on all sites but im just not a quitter- i look forward to being back on stars to prove you guys and to myself you wont see the behavior from yrs ago happen again.

What i did with this situation i dont think it is anywhere near bad as what i did back in 2009-2010. I have tilted i blew more bankrolls than ud ever think was possible, live and online but i do got a good heart its a shame people dont see the good side of me, the radioshow i do those ppl really know me. my family know me and i did alot for them... ok ill be quiet- dont mind me tho i might spurtout something in a chatbox or a forum but its just words, i never thought over the yrs take it so personal and i wish i didnt take the route in continuing it for so long, maybe in 10 yrs Ill be respected.

Try to think of it as being"bullied" maybe i dunno like i felt i was being bullied be certain people so i felt it was OK to ruin peoples games and grim them, crazy logic i guess but whatever. I Dont hate everyone, i only truly hate a few diff people online and i think they know who they are and i can say they arent in this thread i dont think loooll. I guess i can say sorry to all the innocents and yeah skillgambler you are right- i did that stuff just to troll because i was always treated bad.

you make a post like that at least once a month so it's hard to believe you. Just stop being a dick lol... not that hard.

You should really take a break from the forums for a few months.

Here is another hypothetical. What if someone AGREES to only playing OOP. Is that still grimming? Is it still unethical?

The sticking point here is that the person in the situation is voluntarily choosing to play only one hand because he KNOWS that is what will happen if he follows OP. If he is choosing it, it becomes a trickier situation. Now I certainly agree that there is a difference between both parties outwardly agreeing to do an OOP match and what has happened here, but you can't claim that the person doing the following in this scenario is not doing it intentionally knowing he will only play OOP in which case it is his choice. I am sure he would rather not do that though...

I'm not sure myself what is right or ethical here, I just don't think it is as black and white as a situation where someone 'grims' someone that has no idea it is coming. It obviously even worse when someone goes around doing it like the original grimmstar with the intention of profiting with the method, but that's something I assume 100% of people will agree is wrong.

What the villain is doing it's the same as joining a table with two guys playing hu and requesting "hu" in chat, so If you think doing that is wrong, then triying to play someone who doesnt want to play you should be equally wrong.
Grimming obviously its not cheating if it is not against the rules of the site, its an unethical act but not cheating, and this "warned grimming" might not be unethical at all, so I totally agree with OPs reaction to villain.

Just as scummy as when you time down every hand against regs in HUSNG Mark, not against the rules but scummy