good idea but impossible to realize...

I can imagine PTR charging money for hiding members' stats.
And charging money for VIP packages that allow seeing hidden members' stats.
And charging EXTRA money for SUPER-hidden stats to make them unsearchable by the VIP members....
And charging EVEN MORE money for SUPER-VIP packages that allow seeing SUPER-hidden stats...

I'd rather just have things stay the way they are now. Whether you like it or not, PTR is up and it won't be going anywhere.

PS: if someone from PTR is reading this - can I have a share of profits for coming up with the above idea if it ever gets implemented?

ptr f u

most regulars have an idea who are good or not already.. it wouldn't really change anything.

PTR is never going to put in this feature I think, it would ruin their business. They already decided to not follow to T and C of the sites, why start now.

serious?

as if ppl don't move up in stakes... and also, massive bumhunting would be less effective when you have to play your oponent to find out if he is very good/ good/ bad/ very bad

I remember when PTR didn't exist, basically no one knew who was good or who wasnt. Besides the really famous online guys, anyone could get action from anyone else except the huge bum hunters, at least for awhile. Now its not even close to the case.

true. i wouldn't lose 50k to you + 30k to your brother if i had ptr on that time. lol joke, obv.

we need make stars/ftp be aware of this. its pretty obv ptr make stars/ftp have less action. is it impossible for strong poker softwares such as ftp/ps put something to make ptr do not track hands?

damn, this has to be possible.

I'll put you two down for the "blackmail" option.

IM down with the hide/delete data option. That said HSNL is a small nook in this forum. Start this thread in NVG with tons of big HSNL names chiming in a ton and you will get a ****load of new and old 2+2ers voting and voicing their opinion like crazy.

A lot of those dudes look up to you and will follow you with this crusade against PTR. Now that I think of it a crosspost between NVG and Internet Gambling <-- (more important imo cuz of soooo many low/mid stakes regs) could get a bunch of people petitioning and sending emails to the big pokersites and ptr.

These threads should be started by a HS player that is well known thru the 2+2 community which would make it a must read for a lot of the railbird and low stakes players.

Obv this thread is waaaay to small to make an impact.

perhaps a mod can move it?

I think that the maximum number of tables one is allowed to observe is 20 something-

Ptr is obviously observing way more tables than this

I think it is worth mentioning that a player would not be able to view all the data that ptr gives out individually. For example would a HU reg bumhunter not be able to observe all the 50 players that he searches for a day, that would mean viewing more tables than what is possible. Therefore should that data technically not be viewable for player

Don't know if you understand what I'm saying, but try to

I like when people with nominal tech skills come up with nominal tech solutions.

No chance of this happening. If it did, an opportunity for a new PTR-type site would sprout up without giving the option, thus creating competition for a site that already has a monopoly etcetc..

What is surprising is that sites are not willing to take even small counter measures.
For example only allowing to observe hands for verified accounts (documents/bank account info verified) which have say 50$+ deposited, max 2 tables and only if you played at least 100 hands in last 7 days would cause at least some problems to PTR...

FTP/Stars are telling us they are "preparing something" against PTR but they are not even trying anything

internet protection racket at its best.

That's not a small countermeasure at all. That would cost the sites tons of business since a lot (i assume the vast majority) of new players watch games before they play or even set up an account.

I for one love PTR, I've always wanted to know whether some of the regs who I thought had big leaks (as I percieve) were in fact making money. And usually the answer was no, they were not making money but donating at roughly 1-3ptbb/100. However sometimes I find out that my instincts were wrong, so a useful tool allround.

I appreciate that PTR is a double-edged sword so have never revealed anyones information that I have PTR'ed, even when a losing reg has been giving me **** in the chat box.

I think if there is any policy I would support, it would be that it should be that all sites including forums, have a zero tolerance policy on displaying other players information from the site whether they be winning or losing (without said players permission of course).

I think you're wrong about this, it might help their egos but it probably doesn't help their bottom line.

I mean the idea of looking people up and knowing exactly how they have done (including me) makes me a little uneasy, but I don't mind it that much.

PTR has done a lot of good, datamining is beneficial sometimes (the Stars bot ring) and I just don't know what it has hurt.

I don't see this kind of outrage over opr.com

In life people keep score (think sports) thats just the way it is 99% of the time, get used to it.

Also, if your looking to pick a fight, do it with the state of Washington.

this information problem has to be stopped from the ftp/stars end of the spectrum. otherwise some other PTR firm is gonna fill in the slot

**** you poker table ratings. unreal how sites have done nothing about it. it's hardly surprising games ****ing suck and are full of dirty ****ing rats.

How about a new type of heads up cash game: anonymous heads up. You don't see the player's name. Every match begins with a readless unknown. It'd completely eliminate bumhunting.

I love this idea, adjustments on fly and being able to actually play more than a few people would be great.

I offered to pay them to take my info off. They declined. I am no longer able to get any action on UB. I went on a 75k heater at 5/10 10/20 in one month and than poof no one would play. So i literally dont play cash on UB anymore. I dont feel comfy moving up to 25/50 and I dont want to cahnge the game i have an edge at. i hate ptr.

durrrr suggested that a while ago... everyone but the poker sites seemed to love it