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03-28-2010 , 07:20 PM

Daniel Negreanu

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 659

So I didn't 4-bet preflop and I check-raised flop.

Poker Stars $100/$200 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

I_WILL_MUCK (BTN): $44435.00
Mr Zahmat (SB): $43495.00
molswi47 (BB): $37675.00
Hero (UTG): $50320.00
Vick Is God (MP): $69309.00
nutsinho (CO): $42515.00

Pre Flop: ($300.00) Hero is UTG with A

Hero raises to $600, 2 folds, I_WILL_MUCK raises to $2000, 2 folds, Hero calls $1400

Flop: ($4300.00) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, I_WILL_MUCK bets $2450, Hero raises to $6400, I_WILL_MUCK calls $3950

Turn: ($17100.00) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, I_WILL_MUCK checks

River: ($17100.00) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $14200, I_WILL_MUCK calls $14200

03-28-2010 , 07:22 PM

stealthmunk

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think you played it great on every street with your image.

03-28-2010 , 07:26 PM

iggymcfly

runs good at HORSE

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 26,042

Quote:

Originally Posted by stealthmunk

think you played it great on every street with your image.

+1. I mean obv 4-betting PF is fine too, but I like this line.

03-28-2010 , 07:41 PM

savatage

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,443

I WILL MUCK was iso-3betting in position against you quite a bit before this hand wasnt he?

Not sure how you should take advantage of that, but the minute you flatted yet again (was expecting a 4bet preflop) i knew you were going to raise the flop, because you had called and c/f in the similar situation against him 2 times before that i had seen. Expected you were either slowplaying a monster or going to bluff at it anyway

Again, not sure if that means you should play it more strongly preflop because hell put you on a wdier range thats playing back at him or that you should play it like that (cause im a live donk)

03-28-2010 , 07:46 PM

ArmenH

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,648

I like how you played it, curious what you'd do if he bet 14,200 on the turn. I prefer just calling 3bets with AK here to balance for the times you have the 56 suiteds etc bc we all know how u love playing those hands.

03-28-2010 , 08:07 PM

NoahSD

Is Right

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 18,843

This might just be because of your image, but I think the flop c/r is too small. I'd make it like 9.5.

Other than that I really like the line.

03-28-2010 , 09:13 PM

jcl

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Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,343

i like c/c river than lead but rest i like inclu the flop sizing anything bigger is too big imo

03-28-2010 , 10:00 PM

grizy

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I like your line as played.

What was your turn plan with the check?

03-28-2010 , 10:16 PM

2eazy

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Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,378

i like it

Especially that your flop raising range is real wide in this spot

Most players i would say that raising ak here is overepping your hand, but in this spot i like it

03-28-2010 , 10:17 PM

#10

dmkai3

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I prefer a preflop 4 bet but I agree that with your image calling the 3bet is fine too. Post flop is well done though.

03-28-2010 , 10:52 PM

#11

rmoriar1

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,981

looks good

03-28-2010 , 10:59 PM

#12

charder30

formerly known as zj123

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 27,428

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoahSD

This might just be because of your image, but I think the flop c/r is too small. I'd make it like 9.5.

Other than that I really like the line.

I think 9.5 is too big...

03-28-2010 , 11:16 PM

#13

riverboatking

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Quote:

Originally Posted by charder30

I think 9.5 is too big...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCtk...eature=related

03-28-2010 , 11:20 PM

#14

Redgrape

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Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,377

I would raise the flop smaller

03-29-2010 , 12:33 AM

#15

pm22

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 216

Do you c/r the flop with air? If not I like a call more to rep TT-QQ and get him to barrel off.

03-29-2010 , 01:38 AM

#16

Nick Rivers

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,726

Seems fine. I don't think there's much point in debating the nuances of this hand with respect to alternate lines or adjustments in bet sizing without knowing something about reads and table dynamics. In a vacuum, this looks fine.

03-29-2010 , 01:55 AM

#17

sauce123

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i think raising flop is garbage, call and call some more

03-29-2010 , 02:10 AM

#18

i think ill pass

grinder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

i think raising flop is garbage, call and call some more

03-29-2010 , 05:01 AM

#19

Clayton

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Quote:

Originally Posted by charder30

I think 9.5 is too big...

03-29-2010 , 05:18 AM

#20

NLSoldier

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

i think raising flop is garbage, call and call some more

ya im really surprised by all the love for the flop raise.

03-29-2010 , 05:23 AM

#21

jcl

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Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,343

my reasoning for flop raise is that daniel can be seen to be doing something goofy and small as a bluff (see the KQ v KK hand for example) or raising to see where he's at with god knows what. Hence i'd check turn and check river to bluff catch the floats or thin value bets. i agree i dont like his line combined with the river lead.

if he c/c the flop which is more std he can 'rep' KK- but he also has a bunch of Ax's and given his general station image I doubt any more money is being put into the pot with him in good shape if he c/c's the flop.

03-29-2010 , 08:11 AM

#22

ArmenH

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,648

When i get raised on such a dry flop in a 3bet pot vs a loose aggressive opponent the last hand I am putting him on is a hand containing an ace in it . So actually doing it with AK is probably a good idea instead of going into check call mode where your hand looks more like an Ace playing way ahead way behind.

03-29-2010 , 08:15 AM

#23

lwrunner103

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call flop and rep TT obv.

03-29-2010 , 08:48 AM

#24

grogheadflow7

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,281

Just no way raising the flop is THAT bad, you can often induce more by repping next to nothing rather than a wide calling range that from villain's angle may or may not fold. Needs a check-call on the river though.