irock,

Your post was well written in showing why a flat call is vastly inferior to fold/raising. Nice post.

I agree that his logic was well put into words but I disagree with his conclusions.
Just put the players handranges into pokerstove and see if you average more than 18%, I am pretty sure you will be way above that.
Obviously we don't have a very good playability but it's not like we need to outplay a whole field of players with AJ for our tournament life.
You flop something or find a great spot to take their monies, do it.
Otherwise just move on and fold the hand.
If we flop a Jack or Ace there is a good chance we will have the best hand but we won't put much money in anyways.
If we hit 2pair we might win a biggish pot against AQ/AK..
We might be able to extract monies with trips or get some monies when hitting straight/nutflushdraw.
I agree that I would much rather have 76s than AJo to call in that spot but I would never think about folding this hand.

I think you value AJ as a hand more than I do. To me AJ and A10 are mentioned in the same breathe, whereas AQ is trying to squeak in to become AK's sidekick. I always find myself in really difficult situations with AJ oop. If you can play it for a better EV here by calling, i'd definitely call, but i just don't think i can play it more profitably than squeezing. At lower stakes, like the 5/10 i have been grinding the last few months, AJ gains much more value, but these 25/50 games are harder than even a year ago when i was playing them daily, and putting yourself in this position with a flat call is just going to want to make you hate life.

LOL i rmemeber that

LOL?

thats just jealousy.
name the last time u 6 bet on a flop with K high chopping.

post hand? seems fun

U act like AJ plays well in a 5 way pot, this is a good spot to squeeze and have no clue why you didnt bet the flop.

just short circuited it was dumb

resulst: i shoved turn it was not pretty

U act like AJ plays well in a 5 way pot, this is a good spot to squeeze and have no clue why you didnt bet the flop.

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I couldn't agree more.

How can people read FiSheYe's post without wanting to tear out their eyes?

preflop is played well, just as everyone stated its mandatory to bet flop here, id say 1377

Uh seems like the dynamics on your 25/50 tables are a lot more loose/agressive than on mine...
Anyways gonna take this into consideration the next time I will end up in the same spot, I usually call there with AJo unless I feel a squeeze will succeed very often.
But I will squeeze with a wide range of other hands that have barely any postflop value.
Never perceived AJ as a hand I like to squeeze with...
Anyways thanks for the constructive discussion, Pudge714 if you don't contribute, stay out plz.

irock post the QK hand

FullTiltPoker Game #2911396189: Table Larson (6 max) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:24:05 ET - 2007/07/10
Seat 1: HAAANH ($6,695.30)
Seat 2: Efemeral7 ($400)
Seat 3: Ansky451 ($2,292)
Seat 4: iRockhoes ($2,764)
Seat 5: MotherFlusher ($1,970)
Seat 6: kerpowski ($1,970)
HAAANH posts the small blind of $10
Efemeral7 has 5 seconds left to act
Efemeral7 is sitting out
Efemeral7 has timed out
Ansky451 posts the big blind of $20
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iRockhoes [Kh Qs]
Efemeral7 has returned
iRockhoes raises to $60
MotherFlusher folds
kerpowski folds
HAAANH folds
Ansky451 has 15 seconds left to act
Ansky451 calls $40
*** FLOP *** [Js 7d 6c]
Ansky451 checks
iRockhoes bets $130
Ansky451 has 15 seconds left to act
Ansky451 raises to $400
iRockhoes has 15 seconds left to act
iRockhoes raises to $1,180
Ansky451 has 15 seconds left to act
Ansky451 raises to $2,232, and is all in
iRockhoes has 15 seconds left to act
iRockhoes calls $1,052
Ansky451 shows [Qh Kd]
iRockhoes shows [Kh Qs]
*** TURN *** [Js 7d 6c] [7s]
Ansky451: LOL
*** RIVER *** [Js 7d 6c 7s] [8h]
Ansky451 shows a pair of Sevens
iRockhoes shows a pair of Sevens
Ansky451 ties for the pot ($2,295.50) with a pair of Sevens
iRockhoes ties for the pot ($2,295.50) with a pair of Sevens
iRockhoes: oops
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4,594 | Rake $3
Board: [Js 7d 6c 7s 8h]
Seat 1: HAAANH (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Efemeral7 is sitting out
Seat 3: Ansky451 (big blind) showed [Qh Kd] and won ($2,295.50) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 4: iRockhoes showed [Kh Qs] and won ($2,295.50) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 5: MotherFlusher didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: kerpowski (button) didn't bet (folded)

"fold? [censored] you i raise" was the theme of this hand.

What a fish.

awesome

now that's a poker hand

LOL

Sick hand
But if you willing to play for Stacks after your 1180$ raise, then why not raise bigger and kill the idea of foldequity or just push directly allin.
Anyways funny, dunno on which LvL that one was played

Because of the dynamic of the table and the history with the player, i thought there was a better chance he would believe a smallish raise than a shove. I don't really remember because it was 3 months ago, but i'm sure that was my reasoning at the time.