Call hand 1. Wtf can he have, and you can't have anything you can call with besides 666 cuz you checked back the flop. Your flop/turn play looks like a semi-bluffy imo. I can see him having a busted draw here and a lot of combos of AK.



Edit: and I think top pair here is the same as 666. He isn't doing this with worse for value.

Double Edit: And how many straights can he have given preflop. Blocker too! Oh well if he has a wierdly played higher set.

+1

LLIIIMMMOOONNNN

Hm, i just noticed that the 4th spade for hand #2 came on the river not on the turn. that makes it a call imo

you're not raising to take down the pot, but you have to realize you never get 3bet live and so you get to build up a nice pot in position with a nice disguised hand that plays very easily postflop.

you also get to take control of the pot as generally people will just check to the raiser...etc.

its just always better then limping vs weak players.

obv playing against a super tough field you can adjust your strategy, but at the regular 10/20NL games at commerce its def way better to be raising all playable hands on the button.

Hand 2 just makes no sense at all to me. I dont understand the turn logic. What hands can we be bluffing with on the river? I think I prob just play like a nit and call river given this description/dynamic. It is either that or raise snap call.

+1 (ffs)

RBK- can you offer a better/less emotional argument against?

Please consider the following:
-We only get like 30 hands/hour= we need to maximize flops seen against those whom we have an edge over.
-We generally want to keep stacks as deep as possible against said opponents until it's clear we have the best of it/they don't have enough to call us down.
-When people are “gambling”, a pre-flop raise does nothing but bloat the pot (no thinning, no isolating, no repping anything).
-Most of our opponents are much worse post-flop than they are pre-flop.
-There are short-stackers amongst all the deep stacks, often waiting to l/rr a wide 2-bettor.
-We are playing against 8 opponents (as opposed to 5 or less)= we are much more likely to run into something good.
-Even the biggest live donks have internet/tv= many have in fact learned how to put the 3rd or 4th bet in before the flop without AA.
-These same live donks have also learned about pot control and are capable of limp-calling/check-calling over-aggressive players to no end.

Note: I’m not a huge fan of limping (especially) or over-limping, I just agree with wdead that in a live setting it “can be very profitable.” Looking forward to hearing why we are lol ******ed (other than ‘because we are’)…

Thanks

lol

Don't make me delete your 2+2 account.

Why'd you delete my posts? Hahahahaha.

Hey Sklansky, make Jacob an Admin please.

These fools don't know.

I dont think there is a single sentence in this screed that is true. hyperbole much? Sometimes the posts from this rbk/snakekilla/pfunk crew are so tantrum like and juvenile i think they must just be trying to rile me up so ill post one of my super hilarious responses...http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...l#post21543023

On HU4ROOLZ i play 9 handed challenges for partial rolls most days of the week and have for a decade. I do exactly what i want everyday...isnt that the point of being a poker player? and i dont have a bankroll and havent for years. what self respecting winning player would have a bankroll? i have cashflow.

RBK, i agree with a lot of what you say(about live plrs) but you need to work on your anger my friend.

A big thing for me is did limon know your stack size in h2 before the hand started or did he ask you how much u had behind before shoving

(if not and if he didn't inspect your stack then this makes it a snap fold, since you could have only a few 100 left as far as he knows).

I think i would be a lot more inclined to call turn in H1 if it was against a good plr online, same goes for hand 2,

But limon plays and has mostly played live for years, and since these plays as a bluff are pretty awesome, they just get looked up too much in a live setting, so i would reluctantly be folding both.

Don't like your turn-raise in 1 either.

Both easy folds

your giving advice for a different game than the one referenced in the OP. and while it is true that the 10-20 is usually a subdued affair, this game was very ramped up. In both of the hands mentioned i probably would have played differently in a standard day game.

also, why arent you raising enough that taking down the pot is a legit possibility? your raising as a pure pot sweetener with your entire button range which includes tons of dubious holdings like 57ss? I dont think pot sweetening with these hands, even if you have the button, is the best play. I want to give my opponents a chance to really make a mistake, and fold.

I don't think he v-shoves worse in hand 2, but considering we probably always raise AA/TT/AJ PF and bet almost all 2pair/sets on the turn, don't we pretty much never have a FH on the river? 55 seems to be the tippy top of our range here.

a couple of people have mentioned my anger in this thread.

dunno where that is coming from, i'm not angry...and taking pot shots at limon is pretty standard (and vice versa) so thats not even close to being indicative of anger.

guess i'm just an ******* by nature.

youre a liar and a self admitted cheat. you have no idea who i am or a single screen name of mine yet you called me a cheater because i disagreed with you. gee, why would i be pissed off? i cant figure it out.

end tantrum, begin more name calling and BS from the mature old man who argues like a 12 year old.

wow. why would you put this dreck in writing? produce anything where i call you a cheater...please. you dont even exist to me.

1) you're a ****ing psycho. you brought me up for no reason when i havent responded to any of your drivel for months. you need help.

2) and youre a liar. in the quoted thread you are clearly implying that we are cheaters.

youre a bitter, weird loser.

thatpunk, please quote where limon is "clearly implying" that you are a cheater.

go read the thread. the quote is his response to cheating talk, etc etc doesnt need to be rehashed.

I think anyone with even a sliver of objective reading comprehension would determine this to be hilariously false. But as that objective party, what do I know. DERP.

so lets put it to HSNL and bet on it big guy.

yes big money. yes professional arbitrator.

its like talking with an 8 year old.