the table talk is amazing.

LOL. Level? There was actually more but I cant remember how it went. One thing about Limon is he likes to talk a bunch, especially if you dont want to talk.

hey all! i was just searching my name and came across this gem, so now im "snap" responding...

lotsa good reads ITT, all i can say is im glad there arent many HSNL 2+2ers at my tables.

you thought he was trying to pick the pot up? he bet 120 with 90 in pot.

ya good HSNL'ers protect their hole cards which would severely cut into your earn.

altho you'd prolly just go south and switch tables...

and a BIG LOL @ your table talk.

I hate reponding to you because people will say were going back and forth which isnt true because i never referenced you in the post you attacked with your thin skinned and misguided blather but...

1. I wasnt joking about the reads ITT, they are generally good.
2. People checking their hands correctly would cut into my earn. NOT because of spooking their holecards but if you check your hand correctly you are going to do it the same everytime and never preload which is where i make most of my money in regard to this small play.
3. when i switch tables i may go south or north.
4. table talk audio book in the works...

no level. i am not saying i love this table talk in the sense that it is so confusing and will make the opponent make a bad play... i just think it's hilarious.

Join the club...

lol why limp awesome hands on the button like pocket fives?

People talking about preflop probably never play live poker.
Limping and overlimping can be very profitable.

ha I thought about this because I know that works at 2/5NL live and some 5/10NL live games. Not sure if it's a good idea at higher stakes w/ presumably better players.

In addition to not playing live, I doubt anyone plays full ring online (not saying you should limp in full ring online, just saying people don't have experience playing live+ don't have experience playing full ring).

These two hands are the most interesting ones I've seen in a while. I think the results of Hand 1 would undoubtedly affect me psychologically in Hand 2.

lol this logic is so ******ed and just thrown around with absolutely no rational behind it.

please tell us why raising in position with any hand worth playing multi-way vs a bunch of limpers in a deep-stack NL game is a worse option then limping?

i love how people just say **** like "oh well online people won't get why this is so great to do live" which really just means "this is the least optimal play to make, but cuz we're all live donks we prefer to try and use our amazing table talk to get people to play bad, rather then force them to make fundamental mistakes".

playing big pots OOP in a deepstack NL game sucks.
using your position to put your opponents in super difficult spots doesn't suck.

edit: as for the hands:

hand 1 is way closer to a call whereas hand 2 seems like a pretty easy fold.
please tell us what possible hand you're trying to represent in hand 1?
you simply never have a hand besides 66 period.
and even tho limon is a bitter old man he's played long enough to know that, and once you FLAT CALL his cold 3 bet you never have 66 unless you're really awful, therefore on any brick river he's obv going to shove.
the more i think about this hand i think its a call on the river if not a shove on the turn.
he could def have a hand like 9Tss/cc which is a very reasonable type hand he'd make that size raise vs that field from the blinds, but i think he's just reading exactly where the two of you are at in the hand such a high % of the time i'd be super tempted to look him up.
obv vs a total donkey its a snap fold on the turn, however vs anyone with limon's experience i would strongly suspect my hand is good.
one big thing to consider is based on both yours and limon's position on the table is it possible he can see your holecards?

hand 2 is a pretty trivial fold.

Firstly, Im a winning player but not an expert at NL by any means so let me give my convoluted logic for the 55 limp.

Its a multi-way pot in an action game w/ some wild players. I feel having the button and a hand that is easy to play postflop is a +EV situation, its a bird in the hand.

Raising and picking up the pot would be great, or getting it heads up against a player who will let me take it down w/o a fight on the flop would be a dream, its like 2 in the bush. Getting 3 bet big and shut out of my original cozy +EV situation would really suck.

So in this situation I'm taking a bird in the hand over 2 in the bush. How wrong can that be?

this is hilarious

i think limping is the best play as well. u said 'tight limpers' meaning that there is little value in bluffing preflop and little chance of getting it hu postflop which means little value in bluffing multiway postflop. i dont think u get 3bet particularly often though. but limping is better than folding b/c of your position + hand strength.

I guess you're hilarious too. Personally I'd go with "Louis" or The Ricky Gervais Show, but if one gets belly laughs reading strat posts I guess they save a lot on cable bills so who am I to judge.

2 is a little tricky cause it is possible he thinks you have nothing, since you bet the flop when checked to, then checked the turn. limon played the hand weak on the flop and turn, so when you raise the river maybe he thinks you are trying to steal it. then again, limon also flats your flop bet with two people left to act, and out of position, so it's hard to see him getting to the river with trash.

Getting 3 bet big and shut out of my original cozy +EV situation would really suck.


i would really like to know why getting 3bet means we have to fold.

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i love how people just say **** like "oh well online people won't get why this is so great to do live" which really just means "this is the least optimal play to make, but cuz we're all live donks we prefer to try and use our amazing table talk to get people to play bad, rather then force them to make fundamental mistakes".

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haha this is awesome


+1

we wont necessarily. if the raise is small or the raiser is very deep or very bad. most likely we will.

Is raising the turn in hand 1 standard? Why did you choose to check the flop?

Because limon is a complete scumbag? Publicly accuses me, snipes and pfunk of cheating without providing any evidence. Thinks almost all highstakes and nosebleed games are being massively colluded. Refuses hu4rollz challenges but still talks smack. Always thinks hes 100% right on online poker matters, but hardly even plays online. These days I try not to concern myself with internet drama nor do I have any internet enemies, except this pos casino rat.

Also, imo, if you dont know much about limon poker game I cant understand why your advice in these spots would be very meaningful. These two hands are especially opponent dependant and the description of standard tagg who is agressive when he plays a pot surely doesnt help much.

Standard lines for me, fold turn in hand1 (and if you decide to call, you want some sort of a plan for a blank river). Call river in hand2 after checking turn.

Overlimping 55 on button is a bad play now? Should we really be isolating the two tight guys who limped weak before us?

Vs. "an older, really TAG guy" I would expect to see AA KK or AQ all the time in hand 1, but my opinion of limon (based on his posts) is that he's probably not this bad. His range still has you absolutely crushed though imo, so it's a very easy fold on the turn, and I think might either call the initial flop bet or raise larger; your raise size is begging to be messed with (reps a hand that's exactly Q9-strength), which you don't want unless you are sure how to respond when someone messes with it.

Hand 2 I think is a call if you respect the guy's play; again, an old guy TAG (even one who fights for pots) never reraises this river without a bigger boat than you but I'm giving limon credit for being the anomalous older gent who has enough heart to make the play in the first place (seems like a great spot for it since you are RARELY as strong as a flush even). Actually, it's a call as long as the guy's even capable of reraising the river without a boat. It is kinda hard to put him on a hand that needs to reraise the river instead of just calling, though, since I think most of his KsX-range is KK. This one would make me sick if my opponent was over 30 for sure (which is one thing that will rule about turning/looking 40 in a few years ).