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02-14-2009 , 10:46 PM
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Duuuude wut?!
Turning our hand with insane SD-value into a bluff
It's not turning it into a bluff, as it gets value from combos and 9X / 77 and 88 leveling themselves, and I don't think air shoves over our raise basically ever, nor do draws most of the time since it looks so damn strong.

It's like a blocker to a free showdown when the river bricks. I don't think it sounds like that bad of an option, honestly. I'm not sold on it, but I'm interested in what some of the higher stakes players think is right or wrong about this idea.
02-14-2009 , 10:55 PM
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I don't really agree with this as I think this is exactly the kind of read you can expect from a good 10/20 player.

In my experience, the psychology behind it is that your opponent thinks you are trying too hard to make your hand look like you want to get the most value out of it, so they don't give you credit.

Of course against observant opponents, you can do it with big hands to induce such a read.
fair enough. i guess i was only thinking the opposite because in this case i think the bet size is pretty normal.
02-15-2009 , 12:21 AM
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yea im just ridic hungover this hand is fine call turn obv
02-15-2009 , 12:48 AM
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Cjames,
I personally dont like that line cause we flat call 3 bet, then bet when checked to on flop. Raising turn here, it's pretty tough to represent much except a very narrow range. Personally if opp did this to me I'd def start thinking about 3bet shove.

I'd probably call here on turn, problem I think is from my expereince your almost always gonna be put to the test on river.
02-15-2009 , 12:52 AM
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Actually looking at stack sizes, I think a 3bet bluff shove is not probable. However, a turn raise basically commits us to our hand which is what I dont like in this marginal spot. Calling turn at least gives him chance to bluff shove river if were gonna commit to the hand. I think if checked to on river, we can get just as much value to the 9x hands.
02-15-2009 , 01:50 AM
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Does villian really ever c/call flop + lead turn with a hand that is worse than ours?
02-15-2009 , 02:30 AM
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what does b/b/b mean? bet all three streets?
02-16-2009 , 01:06 PM
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I don't really agree with this as I think this is exactly the kind of read you can expect from a good 10/20 player.

In my experience, the psychology behind it is that your opponent thinks you are trying too hard to make your hand look like you want to get the most value out of it, so they don't give you credit.

Of course against observant opponents, you can do it with big hands to induce such a read.
i have no idea what this is supposed to mean
02-16-2009 , 01:46 PM
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K is a great bluff card. He's likely 4 bet'n AK pre, so only KQ an possibly KJ got there. Either way he's rep'n a monster which is a good spot for calldown OR fold right here on turn.
02-16-2009 , 02:24 PM
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Why are all these people saying raise flop when the only possible option if it's checked to you in position is to bet.
02-16-2009 , 02:50 PM
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calc, b/b/b i think is bet bet bet

rivered, people are ******ed

as for the hand, i dont like how villain played it, anyway, call turn sometimes fold sometimes prolly fold or check behind most rivers
02-16-2009 , 03:52 PM
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Deldar often(almost always) 3 bets connectors and garbage, flops a piece, and checks(checks calls a street sometimes two). So a Pair + X like 910 is a large part of his range. Also, given read he might play a FD or st8 draw like this. As to not get blown off of his draw by a slowplayed big pair. So Call, consider calling a blank. Board pairing is close(9 less close). I think in general he will not bluff river often enough to show us a profit. Call turn all day. Two Pair Kxs is his only possible monster IMO.
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