sauce is good, call

fail on so many levels.... value raising turn maybe but value raise shove on river...no chance there is no value at all if anything with a straight hed prob c/c which is still a little thin for how the hand played out

the board?

Hero's hand is not face-up at all. Villain likely perceives the bulk of hero's range to be marginally made when he c/raises the turn. Thus, assuming a thinking villain, he could c/raise with nearly anything he wants to continue with expecting hero to fold an extraordinary % of the time. Once hero calls, villain probably breaks hero's range down to: 1. Hands that have SD value that simply don't believe that villain has much here (1 pair type hands) 2. Two pair. Villain should be saavy enough to realize that hero NEVER has sets/straights here given drawy nature of the board, as they'd all 3bet the turn, and that the only pure "draw" in hero's hand would be 9x, of which hero prob will 3bet as a bluff some % of the time too (namely, the naked 9x hands with no/very little SD value; hands like 97 prob flats turn and reevals river). Thus, hero's range breaks down to 1-pair/2-pair type hands.

Now, villain is so unlikely to c/raise flushes and straights on this river, as you'll likely check behind all marginal SD hands or bluff missed 9x hands that he either misses value or should just check/call. ESPECIALLY since that river card looks like it could hit a ton of villain's range. So he's repping basically only a full house with something like T8/T7/set that filled up on river. BUT, all of these hands likely bet river, again, because they're just too afraid of having you check behind.

Also, we can't assume villain won't make mistakes, so he may even mistakely shove for value on the river with straights thinking you'd never have a flush in this spot (or god forbid Tx). He may also have initally given up on the river and instead gone for a last-ditch effort to bluff again. We have close to the top of our PERCEIVED range (the top of our range is two pair Tx hands that fill up on the river), so you have to snap this off.

hes got j9 call

I actually disagree with most of this post, although yes you should prob check at and yes leveling has little to do with this spot

How often do you think Fisheye expects you do bet/fold the river? I would think not so much. I think best line in his spot is just overleading the river because you are checking back a bunch of stuff. I'm not sure you should bet a flush on the river or not, you do beat a straight though and I don't see him folding that ever so I think it's a b/f. I'm in the bet flop camp though, you can check back some other flush draws that play better on the turn imo, not that this river spot would be any different then.

*I also don't play 2 card games very often

^^ i hope u're kidding about checking back the flush OTR

I'm obviously not......explain plz and don't say "we have a 5 card hand and it's HEADS UP!"

Good post. Seems like a pretty strong argument for checking back river though.

Wouldn't he just lead the river with his straights like you said? C/c'ing the river with a straight seems really bad on his part, I mean we could be checking back AT!

Yeah good point, don't see why he'd do something other than just bet. Even more reason to check behind small flush.

2 CR r the nuts like 99 percent of the time, so i call

idc if sauce is the best player in the world. or jungleman or ansky or whoever else posted in this thread that I barely read. Easiest river call ever. and lol at ppl saying stuff like chk back river

oh and btw, bump

I mean this was 2009.

I know but how did this thread get so long? lolz nittaments

Great post in a great, great thread. Sick hand.

jesus christ what terrible posts by me

trivial call these days you mean i guess?