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10/20nl another tricky spot vs a cocky lag 10/20nl another tricky spot vs a cocky lag

09-28-2015 , 05:38 AM
Dynamics are the following: Hero just sat down with 4K called villain down in a 3 way pot and I was right, had a bluff catcher on a 2 diamond flop with straight draws as well, where the board ran out super dry( villain donk betted and barreled off) Never have played each other and still can't tell if he is good or not. Fast forward 2 hours later and many nasty glares and sly remarks. Hero now has $6200 and villain has us well covered. I am playing pretty positional and tag( mostly due to being card dead, unfortunate because we have a few mega fish our in game) I just changed seats to get position on the mega fish and am on the button, folded to me, I make it my standard $50 to open with A7 suited, villain casually calls. Flop comes 743. Villain checks I make it my standard $40he snap raises us to $200 I call( thinking he 3 bets us always with pairs and big cards to build a bigger pot, although he's oop he has been 3betting oop and from all spots a ton)Turn is a queen of hearts now giving me the nut flush draw 743q villain bets $400 I decide to call(after some thought) river is a 7 of clubs villain now thinks a few seconds and bets $1800(in counted out bills that he casually then fans on the table)...? My thinking is that if he flopped it and I've already called a cr and a big turn bet he would make more of a standard river bet and not risk me finding a big fold.

Last edited by GnomePoop; 09-28-2015 at 06:01 AM.
09-30-2015 , 11:00 PM
Snapcall. NH. This is not a value sizing.
10-01-2015 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by scelsi
Snapcall. NH. This is not a value sizing.
I was actually thinking if clicking back can ever be a big mistake here?
10-03-2015 , 11:39 AM
I have literally no idea why I responded to OP (I play 2/5-5/T primarily). But I'll go ahead and venture that you're turning the absolute top of your range into a bluff by clicking this back.
10-03-2015 , 07:04 PM
Do you always cbet 35% pot even though u have an spr of 60+? Neways u have no choice but to call river since ur flop bet was so small and he could have a bunch of things
10-04-2015 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by scelsi
I have literally no idea why I responded to OP (I play 2/5-5/T primarily). But I'll go ahead and venture that you're turning the absolute top of your range into a bluff by clicking this back.
I didn't click back I ended up calling and villain showed 75 just wondered if villain would ever have done this with like q9o a complete bluff with air on the flop then a somewhat blocker over bet river in hopes to get better hand(aces and kings) to fold or hero called by 10s/js figure I mean if he does have this and we floated the flop with akhh I think it wouldn't be the worst thing ever , also just in case when he does flop a joint we can rep a boat, just a thought
10-04-2015 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pzx
Do you always cbet 35% pot even though u have an spr of 60+? Neways u have no choice but to call river since ur flop bet was so small and he could have a bunch of things
Vs good players hu almost always yes but for the most part I try and play to exploit
10-04-2015 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by scelsi
Snapcall. NH. This is not a value sizing.
Also I disagree that it's not value sizing, with this type of player vs a player like myself, but yes for the most part I would 100% agree with you. For 95% of the standard 10/20nl player
10-13-2015 , 12:17 PM
why did you post if you answered all your own questions and disregarded any other posts? I dont understand where you have questions at any point of the hand. Sizing aside this hand plays itself.
10-15-2015 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by gakn29
why did you post if you answered all your own questions and disregarded any other posts? I dont understand where you have questions at any point of the hand. Sizing aside this hand plays itself.
To see if anyone would suggest anything other than a call( maybe a shove) I mean yes I'm never folding but was wondering if a raise is ok here
10-15-2015 , 03:24 PM
I don't like a raise at all. Too thin.. he's basically never paying you with worse.
10-24-2015 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GnomePoop
To see if anyone would suggest anything other than a call( maybe a shove) I mean yes I'm never folding but was wondering if a raise is ok here
Raise, then decide, then you've got gin on him.
10-26-2015 , 08:06 AM
I play 2/5 but this doesnt sound like that big of a stretch from opponents I've encountered. For starters I absolutely think this is a value sizing because you kinda look like you're calling him down with your usual bluffcatcher overpair. He puts you on TT+ and is looking to get paid. I dont really like clicking it back since personally I can recognize that as the nuts, and at 10/20 I imagine so can a lot of other regs. I'd just shove to make it look bluffy. And no I dont think he ever tries to get you to fold better with an overbet. I dont think he'd ever even bluff this runout with this action.
11-01-2015 , 02:32 AM
Raising here is beyond ******ed and if you don't know that even intuitively you need to take a step back and ask yourself why you're playing these stakes. There will definitely be spots against whales where you can easily raise here but you said yourself that your reads vs this opponent are limited which makes it an easy call.
11-01-2015 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by look at me now
Raising here is beyond ******ed and if you don't know that even intuitively you need to take a step back and ask yourself why you're playing these stakes. There will definitely be spots against whales where you can easily raise here but you said yourself that your reads vs this opponent are limited which makes it an easy call.
In vac, I don't disagree.

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Never have played each other and still can't tell if he is good or not. Fast forward 2 hours later and many nasty glares and sly remarks.
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