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Originally Posted by tringlomane
I thought it would be interesting to see how many women have more lifetime tourney winnings than Jeff. Hoping to see a bit more than this (12 total if I didn't screw up searching), but c'est la vie.
Kathy Liebert 50th $5.84M
Vanessa Selbst 68th $4.93M
Annie Duke 94th $4.27M
Annette Obrestad 119th $3.74M
Vanessa Rousso 132nd $3.47M
Jennifer Harman 228th $2.63M
JJ Liu 234th $2.58M
Liv Boeree 320th $2.15M
Mimi Tran 457th $1.65M
Clonie Gowen 460th $1.63M
Vicky Coren 480th $1.57M
Lucille Cailly 515th $1.49M (8622nd 6 mos ago...2nd in an EPT main event is always good)
Jeff Kimber 561st $1.42M (biggest win $168.8k: 2500 Euro buy-in World HU Champ. Barcelona 2007; best WSOP finish 2nd)
Of course, this measurement isn't perfect since Jamie Gold and Jerry Yang are ranked 5th and 23rd all-time, respectively.
And with the free searches I had for today, I figure I would compare Jeff to Annette and both Vanessas on Sharkscope. Unfortunately, Annette is hurting without her WSOPE bracelet documented, and LOL sample size for everyone.
Name | Events | Avg. Profit | Avg. Buyin | Avg. ROI per tourney | Overall ROI | Total Profit |
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Vanessa Selbst | 45 | $4,003 | $6,738 | 125% | 59% | $180,120 |
Annette Obrestad | 43 | -$9,458 | $11,856 | -50% | -80% | -$406,689 |
Vanessa Rousso | 82 | $3,847 | $9,798 | 9% | 39% | $315,451 |
Jeff Kimber | 22 | $416 | $4,284 | -25% | 10% | $9,147 |
I got my start in poker watching the old-school players, including Kathy Liebert and Jennifer Harman. I have great respect for both of them. Liebert does it the right way (IMO). She uses her own money, is always bankrolled for what she plays, and has never been backed or staked. Translation: She actually got to keep all the money that she won.
That said, those old-school players are going to have to adapt or die. It certainly can be done. Phil Hellmuth has certainly adapted. Lee Jones is one of the authors of
Raiser's Edge, a recent book about staying current with the changes in poker theory and practices. Jones is in his 60s. I'm 57, and I'm on my second readthrough of that book.
I remember seeing Jennifer Harman on a televised tournament, and she is, in my opinion, in big trouble, whether in cash games or tournaments, unless she makes some changes.
In the hand that I saw, Jennifer showed down a hand, and Andy Bloch told her that she had about 12% equity in that hand. She was very suprised by that number. She has described herself as a feel player, not a math player.
Harman is now playing against women like Vanessa Rousso, who graduated from high school early, then graduated from Duke in 2.5 years. While she was at Duke, she got an economics degree and, in her words, "fell in love with game theory."
Being a feel player isn't going to cut it any more, and I'm afraid that one of my favorite players is soon going to be irrelevant.