I was rather hoping that my use of conveyed otherwise.

I've been called that a few times, no clue why. My avatar on Stars is a cranberry.

People say stuff like this to everyone. If any guy posted a complaint about someone on the internet saying something like this, how do you think people would react?

Now, see, I thought it was a gesture of friendship and support. Dang, where'd they sticky the Emoticon Interpretation Thread?

What possible relevance could this have to the thread?

Uh-oh...looks like a theme following me....

Pokerstars has moderators that respond to comments made all the time because someone called them in. Foxwoods has a rule that you can't drop the F-bomb at any time.

The answer is that men complain about this frequently enough.

Ouch. I've never seen that. Awful if you're experiencing it.

Your daughter plays on your account? o_O

Nice job on the call-down, btw. Would be cool if you explained what was so "ridiculous" about his bluff a little more

I LOL'd and then felt bad about it. Tony G will never play against you, DUCY?

That, too.

I'm only a micro/small stakes donk. Play recreationally on line and have done for a few years.

Just about beat the rake and play for fun/entertainment/kill time.

When I started playing chat was full of conversation and a bit of banter but generally good clean fun.

Now it seems chat is only used for slagging people off and berating them.

As someone indicated earlier, this is real negative for bringing new players in as it just ruins their enjoyment and scares them away.

Real shame as the "winning" players need to encourage more donks like me into the game, not scare them off

No. Sometimes there are situations where there is one computer and two people. The efficient thing is: the player notes from both accounts show up.

Ah, I've always wondered who the snitches were whenever I tiltchat online. Whenever I see the "Chat Moderator" pop up in the chatbox I'll think of you.

I'm sure you have many noble and honorable reasons to snitch on pottymouths, but at the least it seems super lame and thin-skinned. Are you trying to protect somebody? Do they need protection? Or are you just easily offended?

Also, who cares what would happen to these abusive chatters in the live arena? I don't see how that's relevant when discussing the online game.

Yeah, not everybody (including fish) is as sensitive as you. I understand your point a little more in a live setting (as you mentioned), but I very much doubt that too many adults out there decide not to get further into poker because of "abusive language". OH NOES MY VIRGIN EARS!

I suspect that "hostile verbal behavior" can't even be in the top 10 reasons why major corporations are not eager to sponsor live events. Oh and btw, why do you think tiltchat king Phil Hellmuth is so marketable?

*******s gonna *******.

I've said many worse things (online) than "I hope you get ovarian cancer" in chat over the years, quite often. Who cares? I've never seen anybody get offended or insta-leave the table. In fact, a number of fish like to play along with my tilt and it almost always opens up the game more. I don't play much live but I've said some pretty gross things in side games and big tournaments as well, and while it probably makes people hate me, I very much doubt it has much effect on the health of the game in general.

Sigh. Just another ITG.

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/derail

the next time youre in vegas on a friday night walk from venetian through pallazzo through wynn and finish in encore. walk through the slot/video poker bays. look at the hundreds of women quietly dropping a small fortune into these machines. ask yourself, "is it possible they would enjoy a more social and lively game?", "how long would it take them to leave that game and go back to the slots if some pinhead told them to get ovarian cancer?". women are finding poker at an increasing rate and will come in droves if something fortuitous,like a women winning the main event, happens. being a welcoming, fun person goes beyond being good at poker and makes you good at life which in turn makes you great at poker.

It's not about being thick skinned or thin skinned, it's about common decency.

The poster somewhere above that seems to think this clever and acceptable is so indicitive of what is wrong in much of society.

truth itt

In my experience, anyone who has this kind of whiny "who cares?" attitude towards the world has a great deal of growing up to do.

Obviously, there are people who care about these issues and by saying "who cares?" implying that no one should care because these issues are so insignificant, shows how self centered your life view is.

lol at epic elo tilt chats.
I actually make it a game to find the best beratement of the month in HUHU matches.

Also, (nice post BTW) there's not much difference in online and live in this area. I remember back in the good old boom days, my most profitable sessions were during what I called "secretary's hour," which in the US stared at about 11am eastern until about 4-5 when a lot of women would come on and play from their offices during lunch and chat each other up mostly for the fun of playing. Now, one moran with a mouth could screw up all my profit, because they'd leave.

I have a saying, "Play Happy." Happy play is profitable play. Mess up my tables with trash talk and you can explain yourself to Stars. Happy people are loose, careless and lovely to spend table time with.

I'm sorry that somebody disagrees with you and phrases it in a manner you find undesirable. Clearly everybody that does this is an Internet Tough Guy, I agree.

Was my post misguided? Why? Or are you incapable of putting together a non-flamy non-one-line post to express your opinion?

When I see these zombies at the slots (men and women, obv) I certainly don't think they're all too interested in a social game.

With that being said, I hear you, and I think it's a good post until the last sentence. How does becoming "good at life" (which imo is ridiculously lol on its own, but I won't derail more) make you great at poker? To me, it sounds like something people toss out there expecting it to be received at some kind of obvious truth. I know what I'm about to say isn't exactly a fair response to the point you were making, but I think it's worth noting that in the game I specialize at (and play professionally), the biggest winner in the world over the past 4 years is always being made fun of/criticized for having "no life" in addition to being a "scumbag" (bella knows who I'm talking about). Now, I realize that online is different than live in this regard, but I think my point is valid. Anyway, sorry for writing all this about your last sentence, but that kind of thing bugs me a little bit.

I think I disagree with other people because I don't think that poker pros have some kind of inherent obligation to promote the game.

The first one was rhetorical, my claim is that what the poster I was replying to was saying was almost completely irrelevant. As for the second one, read the sentence directly after it. That was my point there.

Maybe I'm wrong or whatever, that's fine. But I do know that nobody needs your pop-psychology analysis of my personality. Or, I could go with, "well in MY experience, people who attempt to break down the psychological makeup of people they disagree with, and have never met or talked with before, are missing something in their life, are too concerned with other people, and really have a lot of growing up to do". See, I can do that too, and it's just as invalid. Really, nobody should care (oops) about your "experience". I'm not saying this to troll, I'm saying that individual experience is a horrible metric to use when you are trying to analyze something.

And of course my life view is self-centered. To me, I'm the most important person in the world. I spend more time thinking about my own affairs than those of anybody else. Is this not true for other people (without kids)? You ever wonder why the most common word in posts throughout the internet is "I" (including "my" and "me")?

Im guessing you didn't play pre moneymaker or have forgotten how it was. there were 1 or 2, 24/7, public NL games IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY! the idea that the games will always be here and one will always just be able to act like a massive douche and still win in soft games is, how do you say, ridiculously lol. being "good at life" offers me job security, if youre not a stiff, and you treat people w/ respect you will always be invited to big private games even if they know you are a winner. I will always be able to play in high stakes fish fry's. i also enjoy the company of a lot of the fish (not all by any means) many of these poker "fish" are life sharks and have interesting stories. if guy had durrs money hed shoot himself. but of course the HS players dont berate guy in chat or in live games and never would. they feel a need to promote the games. only amateurs feel a need to berate in chat.

A pro player isnt that much different than steve wynn. he runs a small casino, he pays rent and he has the house advantage. it does no good w/o customers. the poker boom brought millions of customers, believe it or not many of them were/are those zombies you see at the slots/roullette/keno games. where else did they come from? church?. and these customers can leave or be forced out. i used to print money on party and it seemed that could never end. it ended. a lot can happen. be nice...its a freeroll.

(you're right, I wasn't 21 until '07)

You think that one random person's (with essentially no influence) actions have any significant affect on the state of poker as a whole? I'm sure that I could act like a huge douche for the rest of my life and the health of the game in general will not be significantly changed. And I have no idea why being an ******* has anything to do with one's winrate in soft games (unless fish up and leave because they don't like me, but in over 500k hands online I've yet to see this). And like I said before, I've found chattilting often actually HELPS to really open up a game.

As for big live private games, I live in the Midwest, have no idea where big private games are held around here, have never been invited to one, have little interest in finding them, and play live poker in general maybe 5 times a year (by this I mean over the course of a week+, like WSOP and PCA). I know you play these games, cool, but it doesn't apply to me. I also don't see how this matters. Please tell me if I'm wrong, as you would know, but I'd be pretty surprised if many people (including fish) care if somebody is a prick in a big private game. They just wanna gamboool.

It's funny when you say "but of course the HS players dont berate guy in chat or in live games and never would. they feel a need to promote the games. only amateurs feel a need to berate in chat.", because I AM a high stakes pro (I play mainly 50/100 through 500/1k LHE online, and also some big live and online MTTs), and I chat tilt like a fiend, and would probably do it against a whale like Guy too if I was tilted enough (I'm not defending it, just proving my point). I know another highstakes pro who I think might be the best limit holdem player in the world, and he also berates people pretty often in chat. So, you're wrong, which is amusing to me considering you started with "but of course".

Drelo, the mentality that you can act like a jerk and it won't impact poker is true. But use a voting analogy to undertand some of the points in this thread:

My vote will never matter in presidential elections, but I vote bc if everyone felt the same way and decided not to vote, democracy would fail.

If you berate one fish, and he plays less often, no big deal. If everyone does this, though, poker will keep getting tougher.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, limitaments, now i get it. well ya, limit poker is the last resting place of the worlds angriest people. when people play limit poker i guess they do sorta expect to be berated. everytime i play limit now i just chuckle to myself over the endless string of petty arguments that come up. limit stud is even worse and lowball the worst of all. sometimes i just watch the 30-60 lowball game for a few minutes to get my smiles for the day. there is a geezer fight on nearly every hand. theres exactly 1 high stakes lowball game left in the world...coincidence?

First, you are to be congratulated at being an exceptionally adept troll. Somehow, the thread is all about youyouyou. To you. To others, it might be about the very insightful opinions being expressed as a result of your actions. One of those very insightful offerings is "you have to be good at life to be good at poker." Perhaps "successful" at poker would be more encompassing, but same idea.

People fail at the tables for the same reason they fail at life. Poor self-image, unwillingness to to the work, denial, tilt, emotion instead of judgment, or, just being so egocentric that they are unable to assess their opponent's actions, the table dynamic or much else in a way they can exploit.

You may think no one needs an "armchair shrink" to give them some insight into their issues, but those who are most in denial about why they are failing are the ones most in need of that. What is true is that no one needs your assessment of the quality of their posts.

If you are so concerned with self, then speak of self, not about others, else you risk be treated as you have treated others.