http://youtu.be/_iwl33WbVGI
it's not going to work on all of us men, ladies.

I have a champagne rat named Gary. Does he count?

I find it useful live to be able to take quick impressions of people since you see three hands per day and, being honest, most women I've played live have been tight passive. But if a player is unknown, it doesn't take much for me to reassess them completely.

I'm also slightly wary of women because I assume they've had to take a fair amount of jibes that would put most people off playing, and they therefore have to really like the game to stick it out.

Again, if I can spot it, I tend to look if a woman player has come in with a group of mixed sex or with an obvious boyfriend as I tend to assume she's more likely to have been convinced into coming along rather than being a poker addict.

Similarly, I look for if a small group of guys have come in to play poker, or if they've come in for a night drinking at the casino.

Generalisations are useful for live poker providing you're willing to throw them out the window the second a better read comes along.

LOL! Works sometimes, but didn't seem to help Melanie Wiesner this week!

That's because you are a smart guy and a good player. (Wait...is that a Chinese poker stereotype?) Haven't you ever noticed how, even if you aren't a pro, the serious players at the table always ID each other pretty much right away? I don't run my crapola on good players, of any genetic background. In fact, sometimes a good XY will quite enjoy my show. And I, his.

Most players, not really so smart or so good. They play for ego not money.

But I bet you know that, already.

This is excellent. Glad you kept rambling.

Guy here . . . I am a sucker for the boobs. Probably make me play worse. But about 2/3 of the women I've played at California card rooms are usually really really good or really really bad. But the good ones don't tilt me -- in fact, one blonde hottie who was running over the MGM table after WSOP taught me a ton, and I eventually beat her a few times and was happy w/ that.

I think of most of the women I play with in a positive light, and I treat them all w/ respect because I want more women to play. They tend to smell a helluva lot better than dudes, too, which is the last thing that put me on megamegatilt at a tourney. (I was forced to sit next to a guy whose breath smelled like hot death, and he was burping like crazy.)

Playing dumb still must work for the ladies . . . I sometimes use it by dressing/acting like dumb idiot redneck (achieved by wearing shirt w/ stain, jeans, redneck hat, and not listening to anybody despite participating in conversation), most of table thinks my gene pool needs chlorine.

About a month ago at a 2/5 table in Foxwoods, I was sitting next to a very attractive (and surprisingly tall) Asian woman for about two or three hours. She was in to the game for $500, and after an hour or two she was down to around $350. She was wearing a very sheer white top that just covered the portions that legally needed to be covered, and a very stylish jacket. Once she dropped down to $350, she stood up, removed her jacket, stretched, and sat down. Her sheer white top turned out to be sleeveless. We all had quite a pleasant view. She was up to $750 within an hour.

I have to respect anyone who can take advantage of any perceived weakness at the table.

I know the woman of which you speak. She is a helluva player and a friend. I know for a fact that using her sexuality goes against everything that she believes. I am sure that the removal of the jacket is because for the past 6 months, Foxwoods has been as hot as hell

I agree, she is a solid and creative player. She is intelligent, polite, and engaging at the table. I am by no means attempting to disparage her, and hope that no one misinterprets my story to mean otherwise.

I may be attributing intent where no intent existed. In this matter, I will bow to your opinion. Not simply because you obviously know the player in question, but because I've read many of your posts, and find your entries on the Foxwoods thread to be of great value.

But, as far as the subject of this thread is concerned, the effect on the table was strikingly evident, and worth mentioning.

Not a problem.

Do I know you? Do you know me?

I'm sure that we have played with each other, as I've been playing off and on at Foxwoods for two years. For the past two months I've been playing four days a week (Wed. - Sun.). Mostly 2/5, with the occasional 1/2, 5/10, or tournament.

But do we know each other personally? No. I'm not even sure who you are in the room. I'll be there again tomorrow, maybe we'll both figure it out.

Im there every Wed-Fri and then again on Sundays. I play 2/5

"looks like your out to get me " classic Bond.

I'm just catching up here, but, helluva poker players are smart folks, and I have to assume she knows what she looks like in her clothes. And while I am willing to believe she took her jacket off for her own comfort, (I started to say "because she was hot") she is also dressing to look appealing as a woman.

I think it would be interesting for you to bring Joe's observation up with her and get her reaction.

I did actually. She said same thing that I did. It really is a sauna in that room

I was so excited to read this, but I guess I mis-read the topic.

To help out a little, I generally feel as a guy that women think im bluffing them because they're women. because they call me really light, thus i value bet really thin and pretty big.

Don't know if this is a general opinion that men have of female poker players.

I don't connect beauty with any certain skill level. I get very suspicious of beautiful women, as I think they will mind**** me into making some bad plays. Im a cynic

disclaimer: i rarely play live.

I'm not sure if I know who you are. I would be sure if I knew you were the girl who is a regular visitor to the hand sanitizer.

No, I actually PLAY poker, not visit and try to accumulate points.

ETA...that sounds mean. She is a nice person.

I think that alot of people there know who I am. Anytime they call "Jess" just loook for the tall brunette racing towards the table.
The better question may be, WHO ARE YOU?

So you know whom I'm referring to then, eh? If you're a regular, I guess you have to.

I'm not a FW regular. From late spring to mid-fall, I'm usually there for a Monday/Tuesday or Tuesday/Wednesday run almost on a weekly basis. The only 2/5 female regulars I recall from last year were the girl I've referenced and the tall, attractive Asian girl you've referenced. I'm not sure you and I have been at the same table.

You got the advantage you can bet your big hands and men won't believe you ever have the nuts.

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I dont think women are necessarily bad poker players quite simply not many of them want to play for money. women are generally less likely to gamble then men and a lot are intimidated in all male environments such as poker, hence they dont want to play. Yet in home games for free they are quite happy to join in and have some fun. I have very little live experience so I havent played against many women players at all.

Im from new zealand so when I went to Canada I took advantage of this. I appeared nervous at the table and everyone assumed I was a random tourist donk. I ended up doing very well in Vancouver in the first session I played because of it. I think anyone should use whatever advantages they can when playing live.

Obviously women can take advantage of bad players but they will not gain much edge over decent players.

It didn't really pan out how I intended.

I've found this to be the exact opposite. Because so many men assume that women are passive calling stations, I usually see a lot of folds when a female player actually bets out.

I'm female, but I'm completely a regular in my home casino so I don't think people even see me as a female anymore- just someone they know who's a solid player. I travel a lot though, and I've seen many examples going the entire spectrum of respect. I don't really care how I'm viewed initially- I just want to play my game and hopefully cash in the tournaments I play or rack out more chips than I sat down with in cash games.

The only time I was ever really consciously aware of being treated differently was one tournament where I was seated at what would be the final table, so we were getting new players whenever a table broke. I had been getting run over by the deck, and probably had 40% of the chips in play- just a huge mountain of stacks. EVERY SINGLE TIME a new player would come in, he'd look at me and say, "Damn, how'd you get all those chips?" I am fairly confident that they wouldn't have said that to a guy. I think my "Sit down and I'll show you" answer (with a smile, of course) shut them up...right up until I got knocked out on the bubble after a couple of brutal suck-outs.