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08-19-2013 , 05:33 PM
degens going to degen, you're the silly 1 tho.
08-19-2013 , 06:11 PM
This guy is not a poker player with a plan. He sounds like a losing player. He sounds abusive. Please seek counseling for yourself in some way to help process through all of this. I wish you all the best.
08-19-2013 , 09:59 PM
OP is actually dating Chino Rheem.
08-21-2013 , 03:56 PM
Actually the BF is a long-time 2+2er:
Beat: Busto and my Girl Wont Stake Me
08-21-2013 , 06:19 PM
Better cut your losses and dump this guy. 2 yrs down the road that 10k will be 20k, 5 yrs down the road he ships something and will have won enough to pay u back but what will actually happen is that he will give u 5k and use the rest of his winnings to "move up and make some real monies". He will go Busto, u will loan him 5k, rinse and repeat. Dump him and invest in stock for better return.
08-21-2013 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokergfnyc
So do poker players get down like that? Use girls for money and live and tell them you love them and show them everyday?

I truly do not believe he is using me. I truly believe he does this as his passion & so that we can have nice things in our future... I dont want to sound brainless cause I am only telling you a bad part of our story. All couples go through up and downs...Im not here to rant on my bf. Like i said everything is great & He is with me all the time and treats me well. I believe he loves me and trying to do good for us. He is also a good hearted person who has a heart of gold. He tells me all the time when he wins he has all these nice things he wants to do for us. and he also makes me happy with the little things he does. I didnt come on here to ask if i should stay with him- I came on here to learn more of a poker lifestyle and how many people were going through the similar situation so I knew it was kinda normal or if I should support him more then getting upset...when he is facing a losing streak. I am an independent college educated women and hold a degree and a teacher as a profession so Im not some fluff girl with no brains. I like to learn the ins and outs of the poker lifestyle so I can make my own judgements and decisions and looking for some info from long standing career poker players and their gf's if possible bc I am new to this kind of lifestyle. Thank you for all your posts.
As a poker player who did it as his sole source of income for a number of years I can tell you that your boyfriend is not built to play poker, he is a gambling addict. Bankroll management is the most important skill anyone who plays poker as their sole source income can have. If you can't manage your finances, you can't play professionally, and your boyfriend clearly can't manage his finances. You're helping him, and I know you think you're doing good, but you're not. He won't quit playing so long as you keep supporting him, and if he can play he won't feel as driven to try and find or keep a job.

Honestly every objective assessment of your situation leads to the same conclusion, he's using you. Maybe your love and your situation has twisted so far that neither of you can realize it, but that's what's happened. You're not being unreasonable at all, the way you wrote your post speaks towards the way I imagine he treats you. The line "I don't know what I'm doing wrong", along with all your questioning of yourself and placing the blame on yourself indicates that he's convinced you that it's your fault, not his.

Anyway, everyone is right that you should just get out right now. But if you can't, which I suspect, then I suggest you do this. Make him get a job and save up a certain amount of money before he plays poker again. Then he can play poker once he has a bankroll. If he loses the bankroll that is that. He has to show that he can manage his finances and get out of this hole he's dug you both in. Hopes and dreams are great, but I've got a 4k bankroll, a few months living expenses saved up, have played roughly 50 months (say 40 professionally, 10 recreationally) only having 3 minor losing months and I am still not in a position to financially go back to playing poker for a living because it would be irresponsible for me to attempt it. Imagine how ridiculous it is for your boyfriend to be in the hole $10k+ and borrowing money every week while considering himself a professional poker player.

For the record since you probably don't know poker statistics and stuff really well, let me break some things down. You play 30 hands per hour live, so if your BF is playing like 8 hours a week live he's basically straight gambling as the results over 240 hands are meaningless, if you're a winning player you need to put in heavy hours to minimize the effect of variance. Online you get rougly 75 hands an hour per table, playing probably 4 tables at a time on American poker sites that's 300 hands an hour. Any sample size under roughly 50k hands is meaningless, and even 50k hands isn't a lot, that's a small month for most players. Playing tournaments luck is even more devastating, and you need to play >500 tourneys for your sample to be at all significant, and even then a great player will lose roughly 30% of the time. You can read more about that stuff here.

http://www.nsdpoker.com/category/poker-pro/

I hope you end this painful relationship soon, it's a terrible situation you've ended up in.
08-21-2013 , 08:54 PM
Sounds like your husband sucks at life and poker tbh. Complete degen. I mean ****, all he would have to do is go on twoplustwo and read some strat for a couple weeks to beat 1/2 and at least not lose all the money you give him. FFS why would you support his gambling habit when he's not even good? Here's what you need to do, you need to go with him whenever he plays. Limit him to only playing 1/2 and limit him to like 3 bi max and when he loses 3 bi every single session he plays he'll realize he's **** and so will you and then you can move on with your lives.
08-22-2013 , 07:59 AM
If you opt to stay with this person, cut him off financially entirely, and kick him out if he is unable to hold up his end of the financial obligations. This isn't remotely fair to you, nor are you doing him any favors by enabling him to pursue his dream irresponsibly.

Do NOT let him owe you another dollar. Write everything you have lent him off in your mind, and chalk it up to a lesson learned. This will only get worse. I have played professionally for close to eight years, and this is not how things work. Good luck.
08-22-2013 , 08:13 AM
You sound like a nice girl, so here is a piece of advice. Get away from him right away, and don't let him drag you into the mud. Give him an ultimatum. Either he stops gambling, get a job and pay you back, or you leave. If he actually loves you, he will, if he don't, well then you know what to do.
Unfortunately from what I've read, it looks like option two is the one that is going to happen, resulting in you not getting your hard earned money back. I feel for you, but cut the losses while you can still get through it, and definitelly never ever back up someones loan if it is for gambling. Golden rule, never gamble with borrowed money!

Last edited by OS9988; 08-22-2013 at 08:20 AM.
08-22-2013 , 08:46 AM
Im kind of surprised this thread hasnt been locked yet.. about 60 posts all saying more or less the exact same thing and no sight of OP to comment on the advice given itt
08-22-2013 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokergfnyc
So do poker players get down like that? Use girls for money and live and tell them you love them and show them everyday?
Poker players dont do this. Idiots do and this idiot is the reason we play poker because he is terrible at it.
08-22-2013 , 11:18 AM
Your boyfriend has a problem. He is a gambling addict and needs help.

If you were giving him the same amount of money to go towards alcohol or drugs, you would be in the exact same spot you are in.

You are his enabler, and you have only two options at this point:

-Make him get help, have an intervention or something.
-Leave him

If you continue on this path you only have your self to blame for these problems.
08-22-2013 , 11:37 AM
OP, you dump this guy yet? Scrolled through thread and no one seems to argue in favor of keeping this guy(lol at him changing, getting a job, paying you back). Quick question? Can you ask him real quick if he grinds $40-$100NL and if he is a short-stacker?
08-22-2013 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SuqAta8
Im kind of surprised this thread hasnt been locked yet.. about 60 posts all saying more or less the exact same thing and no sight of OP to comment on the advice given itt
I already locked it once, then re-opened when the duplicate thread was closed in another forum. Have thought about locking again, but since OP is newby wanted to just give her a bit more time to respond...and then yes, will lock again.
08-22-2013 , 02:10 PM
I guess there is no reason to post the same exact thing that everyone else did.

But I would like to see OP cut him off for a month and then get an update on their relationship status after she quits feeding his addiction for 30 days.
08-22-2013 , 02:52 PM
Do not get pregnant!
08-22-2013 , 03:50 PM
OP confirmed back to enabling bf to freeroll her for sex, housing and monies to degen. Gotta dump him.
08-25-2013 , 10:52 PM
I feel like this thread has to be a level.
08-25-2013 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokergfnyc
So... I am frustrated and want a poker player's or their gf's opinion. Is anyone going through a similar situation??

The situation:

I work a regular job, m-f 8 hours a day and hustle on the side working odd jobs.

I live with my bf for 3 years and pay the rent ( 2 yrs) and all the bills etc. My bf is a poker player and i support him in this decision. I have lent him a total of $ 10,000 in cash (in increments of $100... $2000) even have co-signed a loan for him ( which he cannot pay).

The only thing I have asked of him is to work any kind of job to pay half the rent & his cell phone or bring in some money to help. He has held 5 jobs our 3 years together (7 months at 1 job being the longest.) I also drive him back and forth from his job when he does work. Buy him shirts, shoes or anything for work when he needs it.

I drive him to tournaments/ cash games, pay for gas, tolls,food- get hotel rooms and (in the past sleep in the car for 1 year in total sporadically)
( even when I have work at 6 am the next day) and give him money for poker frequently instead of paying for our rent or bills.

Whenever he has worked ( short term) he never gives me any kind of money besides maybe $20 for food at home or a nice dinner and uses it for his poker career. Again I support him in his poker career so that is not the problem.

We came to an agreement that all he has to do is pay half the rent $500 and Ill take care of the rest of bills (electric, gas, internet, co-signed loan, car payment & insurance & credit card bills that incurred during our relationship totaling $10,000 and my bracelet he pawned which he pays when he can- which has been 2 times the bi-yearly payment) and my share of rent. And whatever he makes he can put it towards his poker career.

The problem is we when we are 3-5 months behind on rent and bills.& he is jobless..

When he does have a job he spends his pay on his poker career. Currently he is jobless. He asks me every new pay day to lend him money to play a tournament or cash game. I make $800 a week usually but this summer my pay is $300 a wk.

What happens is I hand over depending on tournament buy-in ($60-$500). Sometimes when he busts he makes me feel bad and tells me to let him borrow $100,200 or whatever I have let of my pay to make the money back. Sometimes I borrow the money from my family.

I know his hearts in the right place & I love him him immensly. Other then the job and money problem he is good to me. But we fight almost every week concerning this problem: when I say I cant give him $ cause I have to save $ to pay rent.

This is what I am frustrated and upset about. I end up yelling, screaming and crying saying he promised he wouldnt ask me or money when he knows I am trying to save money for rent or bills & he begins to make feel like Im not his partner and team player.

To be honest I do explode sometimes because I feel like he doesnt care about how much stress he puts me under & tells me we have to sacrifice. I feel sometimes he butters me up to be happy and then manipulates me and breaks his promises.

For instance: He asked me to give him money for $180 tournament last week on Friday ( I got paid $300). Plus he had to take the bus cause I had work. He also needed food money & a $100 hotel deposit bc he had no credit cards. So I gave him $340 in total ( borrowing $100 from my mom). WIth the promise that he would only use the $100 for hotel deposit if he made day two. He promised that he would return the $100 to pay my mom back. I believed him.

On Monday he left and came back the same day cause he busted. I waited for him to give back the money without asking. On Tuesday I asked him if he had the $100 so I can pay my mom back & he was honest and said he spent $30 0n weed and misc.) and had $70 on him. So I was happy he told me the truth and said its ok but I need the $70 and Ill take $30 out the rest of my pay.

Fast forward to Saturday he still hasnt given me the $70. My mom asked me for it that day and he tells me he doesnt have it cause he bought a card to play internet poker with it. and hands me a unemployment card and says he is supposed to get $60 a week on it and I can keep it. FYI - There is no money on the card yet & I dont even know if there will be cause in the past he has said he will pay me back but never did .

I still understood and didnt say anything except I was disappointed he didnt keep his word and next time ask before he does such a thing cause now I have to take the last $100 to pay back my mom out my check.

today Sunday comes and he asks me to borrow $25 to play poker online and he will pay me back tomorrow. I BLEW up saying what happened to the $70 he had to play online? He then said he didnt have $70 he only had $40 to play and it was gone and he has $60 in winnings he cant take out of the online poker site. We fight I yell he starts to tell me I waste my money on the $4 ice cream we just bought and a pack of cigs.

I yell what happened to you realizing that I work all week and you take the money lose it on the tournament is not cool when you are jobless and we are 4 months behind in rent???!!. HE then says I dont understand how hard he works and I treat him like **** saying he doesnt bring in any money. That this is what it is. I either sacrifice and understand or dont be with him at all. That I knew what I got into and that I will be broke until he makes it.


I need some opinions on WTF am I doing wrong here? All Im asking him is to pay back the money or pay rent or keep his word is that too much??
if I am not being a good gf or not when I dont hand over my all the money. Or when he makes me feel guilty of buying $4 ice cream and saying I waste money all the time.

I am worried all time of eviction from my apt., My sister being mad at me for not being able to pay her back and being broke all the time. I am not trying to whine or complain I just dont know from right or wrong anymore bc he makes me feel like I'm wrong all the time whenever Im upset.

I am venting cause I dont want him to feel bad cause he gets un-lucky and has so many bad beats and that he is un-lucky at his jobs and gets let go or screwd over for no reason but I need some help cause he doesnt understand or appreciate how much I feel like Im sacrificing.

I am tired of fighting, being broke and working and not getting anywhere & all the guilt he makes me feel for spending a $1 on an item he doesnt approve of.


Sounds like a degen. Don't know if there is much hope. Sorry =/
Plus I don't know if all those beats are bad..he doesn't sound like a player that gets very good results
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