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07-07-2013 , 06:22 PM

_Manificat_

centurion

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 168

Lets say i have a default 3bet value range of TT+, AJs, KQs, AJo and KQ. Now ive read that you want to have 50% as value and 50% as bluffs. Im playing microstakes hypers atm. And lets assume its against a 70 pfr from sb.

So which hands to add, was thinking of something like K8s-K2s, Q8s-Q2s, J8s-J2s, T8s, T7s

Any advice is appreciated

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07-07-2013 , 06:32 PM

shortchange

journeyman

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 379

Why do you think should have a 3bet bluffing range? fwiw, your proposed range would be the near nut worst choice. think about what hands you want in your oop ranges, and what hands you can profitably call already/what hands you can't profitably call.

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07-07-2013 , 07:23 PM

ValuetownJL

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,436

Top of your folding range

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07-08-2013 , 08:55 AM

KelvinKe

adept

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,173

atc if the expectation from 3b is better than flatting

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07-08-2013 , 01:07 PM

erdnase17

adept

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Enough hands to keep him from folding all the time but not so much that he calls or 4bets all the time. At the same time you don't want to 3bet too much garbage that is unplayable postflop. Not an easy task it seems :-P

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07-10-2013 , 03:59 AM

0mblad0n

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If your opp is an aggressive opener as you said, but not a complete station, at 20bb+ you should keep your non-allin 3bet raises range polarized(value hands+hand form your weaker end of your flatting range). Less than 20bb if your opp keeps his pfr% at 60-70% as you said, you can 3bet shove any ace, strong kings and also have a bluff range made of hands that doesn't play well postflop (hands like k2-k6). You should expand your 3bet shove ranges linear as you're getting shallow .

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07-10-2013 , 08:34 AM

wattalife

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 14

Why do you need to have a bluffing range in micro hypers when there more then likely just going to peel. Exploit them by only 3 betting top of your range

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07-11-2013 , 12:17 PM

darchas

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 380

I play micros and never 3bet bluff. Just get too many calls and end up in horrible spots after the flop. You can play straightforward I find at these stakes and win.

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07-11-2013 , 06:06 PM

Fludae

grinder

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 554

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Originally Posted by darchas

I play micros and never 3bet bluff. Just get too many calls and end up in horrible spots after the flop. You can play straightforward I find at these stakes and win.

This.

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07-11-2013 , 06:12 PM

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KelvinKe

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So if an opponent minr 80%, you won't have a 3b jam bluffing range just because it's micros? Wow

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07-11-2013 , 06:13 PM

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KelvinKe

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Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,173

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Originally Posted by _Manificat_

Lets say i have a default 3bet value range of TT+, AJs, KQs, AJo and KQ. Now ive read that you want to have 50% as value and 50% as bluffs. Im playing microstakes hypers atm. And lets assume its against a 70 pfr from sb.

So which hands to add, was thinking of something like K8s-K2s, Q8s-Q2s, J8s-J2s, T8s, T7s

Any advice is appreciated

Most of those hands should yield better expectation from 3b jam or flat, rather than nai3b

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07-11-2013 , 06:52 PM

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madchipmonk7

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 70

Hands u would flat, is a dumb 3bet at micros imo, stuff like T8s T7s plays good oop imo.
Hands like T6s - 74s - K2s, K2o. Garbage, but still playable. Also A2-A5o is a good 3b imo - they flop terrible, but easy 2 play post against a standart 3b calling range, and obv. on some boards ur hand dosent matter - cause villains range won't hit often and on other boards ur range will hit 95+% of the time.
But why bluff 3b at the micros? The micros is full of bad players throwing their money at you - and u won't need to adjust w a 3b bluffing range 95+ % of the time IMO ( i could obv be wrong since im not playing turbos.)

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07-12-2013 , 01:20 AM

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Fludae

grinder

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 554

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Originally Posted by KelvinKe

So if an opponent minr 80%, you won't have a 3b jam bluffing range just because it's micros? Wow

I assumed we were talking about not all-in 3-betting. I wouldn't exactly call 3-bet jamming weaker suited hands against an 80% opener a bluff either... imo

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