Preface: don't know much about game theory, probably a flawed vision of things.

I've been seeing the term "GTO" (and "solving" super turbos, I guess) pop up around for a while. I don't really get why it's important. Isn't GTO irrelevant in a game like hold'em?

If the GTO play means your opponent can at best break even against you, it doesn't imply it's the correct play.

Example, RPS. GTO is to randomly use each throw 1/3 of the time. Your opponent's range is 100% Rock. To make the most money, you adjust your range and throw out 100% Paper.

In hold'em, a GTO river shove would mean your range is exactly 1/3 air and 2/3 nuts when your opponent is getting 2:1. But you know your opponent either calls or folds too much in this spot, meaning if you deviate from GTO, you can exploit your opponent and have a better expectation than the GTO play.


I have a hard time visualizing what could be the GTO play for something like betting the flop. But I don't think it matters because the above example shows GTO isn't the most +EV play, therefore it isn't useful to us as poker players. So even if the game gets "solved", it shouldn't matter as long as you aren't playing a bot since nobody in the real world will ever come close to being that precise in all their ranges and frequencies.

I know I'm not being asked here, but I'd still like to spew some thoughts.
Imo, poker and especially HUSNGs in general are ridiculously easy to win a lot of money at. This is especially true for hypers. The amount of money you can make in poker if you're remotely smart is just ridiculous compared to the money you make when you do scientific research for example eventhough the level of abstraction and the importance of scientific research is way bigger than in poker.

Do you think people underestimate the variance in poker, especially hypers?

How do you explain that a competent player as M@D@M@D@D@NE lost well over 100 bis at hypers?

=D

i fully agree with you

however dont see how this relates to "solving short NLHE"

nice...

GTO is a strategy that profits vs all players. An example would be Mer's overbetting as nash equilibrium, bet 2x pot on the river, have your range polarly constructed of 60% value, 40% air and basically no matter which way peoples calling ranges are imprecise (calling too often or too little from 40%) they are burning $$ to you.

Not at all I guess, just wanted to say it :P

Could I contact you for a question ? Skype/Mail ? would be sympathic :-)

I dont think this is true
100% wrong and not true at all

I'm a bit rusty on my game theory, but this can't be possible. Mer's overbetting analysis should lead to profits against players who make consistent plays (always call or always fold on river), but it shouldn't guarantee profits against players who play a mixed strategy (X% chance to call, Y% to fold).

break even best case.

Always thought you were a sicko, few questions:

how many times have you been broke?

most absurd poker story?

do you have trouble adjusting to other forms of poker? Mtts and cash and what not?

how long would it take for you to make me less terrible?

gl

Don't you mean break even worst case ;P. @hapahauli... let's take a v simple example... river situation, your bet is amazingly polar and is always contained to nuts/total air... you bet pot

your range contains 67% nuts 33% air

give me a mixed strategy that will exploit it?

now give me some mixed strategies that will lose to it

PM me here, or on twitter @PrimordialAA

i meant villain will break even in his best case.

GTO should be a winning strategy against every single oponent except other player who plays GTO and the most important pro is that you become unexploitable. So your oponent can only break even against you only by playing GTO. However it is not the max ev strategy, an exploitative strategy is way better against the avarage opponent although you become yourself exploitable.

Edit: nice well.

how do u play vs a fish (which is calling station) who limps every sb and bb ?

do u have a PFR more than usual vs this type of guys ? or u simply try to play abc ?